REMOTE START ON A MANUAL WITH A VIPER ALARM??
Printed From: the12volt.com
Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=3092
Printed Date: May 06, 2024 at 12:22 AM
Topic: REMOTE START ON A MANUAL WITH A VIPER ALARM??
Posted By: joes_gsr
Subject: REMOTE START ON A MANUAL WITH A VIPER ALARM??
Date Posted: August 26, 2002 at 5:23 PM
Hi, i recently bought a 2000 Integra GSR. i was informed by my friend that a viper alarm with remote start would not work on the GSR since it is a manual tranny. is there anyway to remedy this?? ------------- VTEC IS the replacement for displacement.
Replies:
Posted By: mobiletoys2002
Date Posted: August 26, 2002 at 5:29 PM
Yes but dont do it is verry illegal and dangerous. They have remote starts made for this verry purpose if something happens to that car and it hits someone you are liable if using that viper. Your friend is wrong it can be done but it is not advicable to do i would not touch it.
Posted By: hot_shot_guy123
Date Posted: August 26, 2002 at 5:43 PM
It can be done. My friend has a Volkswagon Jetta (2000) and he had a remote start installed in it. It is a manual trans. too. He has to leave it in neutral and have the parking brake on. If he leaves it in gear it will not start or even turn over. I'm not sure what brand it is, maybe Alpine or Avital? That's the brands that the shop he went to sells.
-------------
"Light travels faster then sound, that's why some people seem bright until you hear them speak."
hot_shot_guy123
Posted By: mobiletoys2002
Date Posted: August 26, 2002 at 6:38 PM
Direct start makes one i never used it i only read about it they make the one for manual dont use the viper as it can be done but it is not a good idea.
Posted By: Jamie Ahmt
Date Posted: August 27, 2002 at 2:22 PM
it can be done Iam a viper installer and i hace installed a viper 550 hf to my merc vito van, using a 5 pin relay and a small made up gear lever ring, the viper will only start the van when it is in neutral, contact me for more info.. ------------- Jamie,,,,
Posted By: steveholtam
Date Posted: August 27, 2002 at 5:02 PM
Sounds dangerous. Do not cut any corners or you may seriously regret it later. Do it right or don't do it at all. Steve
Posted By: omegamotorsprts
Date Posted: August 28, 2002 at 6:28 AM
I installed a Matrix RS2 on a Nissan 200SX with a manual tranny, it really wasn't hard, I ground out the neut. safety swith, and I bypassed the clutch pedal switch so the car never knew it was depressed, I want to also say that working at a shop myself, I would never do this to a customers car as it's not entirely safe. I make sure I never put my car in gear, I have seen cars left in gear with a remote start, no they don't crank all the way but the car will jump forward, a few years back(5 or 6) a guy called a Best Buy store with his corvette in his dining room because of this very same reason.
Posted By: stucksittinhere
Date Posted: October 05, 2002 at 4:21 PM
Ok i just joined the forum but i was looking at this topic and was hoping i could get some help. i have a manual tranny and wanted to install the remote start. i was wondering Jamie if you could give me the diagram for the remote start safety on the manual transmission, or if any one else could. thanks
Posted By: Dunbar
Date Posted: October 06, 2002 at 11:20 AM
Jamie, please send me info on your setup dbcoop2001@attbi.com
Posted By: stucksittinhere
Date Posted: October 06, 2002 at 2:30 PM
dunbar, when jamie mails you the info can you mail it to me. Pyroboy1111@yahoo.com thanks
Posted By: sador
Date Posted: November 05, 2002 at 8:59 AM
Hey Jamie can you help me to override the remote start (viper)with a manual tranny
Thank You.
(If someone already have it can you email it to me I'll apreaciate!)
sdortiz@msn.com
Posted By: KillKrazed
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 10:24 AM
I also have a manual trans and a new Viper 790. I would love to have remote start on it. Can someone send me the info too? svinyard@mail.liberty.k12.mo.us
Posted By: Phatmex
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 10:56 AM
I guess since Jamie didn't include his email address, I'll have to jump on the me too bandwagon. phatmex@hotmail.com Thanks for your help dude....
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 11:33 AM
Hey Guys, Great idea to install automatic starters on manuals!!!!!! You must all be engineers to have figured out that the only difference between the two is leaving the car in neutral!!!!!!! Please do your installs soon but don't forget to send pictures of your cars as thay tried to climb walls, go for a swim in the local pools, parked under school busses, ran over your neighbors dog, put your children in wheelchairs, put on a smoke show at the local mall, joined you for breakfast in the kitchen (or basement if the window is wide enough) and other really cool snapshots. By the way, did you ever notice my signature? Don't let it spook you, it'll only happen to your neighbor. ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: joelr7309
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 12:08 PM
I have a 93 Integra and I installed a VIper 550ESP remotre start on my manual transmission car, I install a magnet switch for a safety, so it won't start up when it's accidentally on gear, It works for me, But if you don't have a safety switch, I wouldn't do it, as people say, Leaving it on neutral always doesn't work, It only takes one time for you to learn thats it's pretty dangerous, It's easy to install any alarm, and to bypass the clutch, I would let someone do it, if your not familiar with the wires of the car, and a safety remedy.
-------------
THE ROOKIE!~
Posted By: KillKrazed
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 12:10 PM
Thanks for the flame Big Dog. We are only trying to solve a problem.
Posted By: dereck
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 12:48 PM
If you want to Install a RS on a manual tranny you SHOULD buy one made for manual transmission. I know ProStart makes on and it works just fine. You have to first put the car in neutral, then push in the parkbrake, push the button on the remote start, the driving lites will flash 3 times if done correctly, then you have to turn the key off , remove the keys and get out of the car (it should still be running), close the door and push the button on the remote again, the car will turn off. This tells the remote start that the car was running fine last time and will alow it to start. If you open the door, push the brake, open the hood this will cancle the remote process and you will have to do the process again. There is also a clutch bypass wire that you hook up to the cold side of the switch on the clutch to overide it when you use the RS. This does NOT overide the cluch for normal starting.
Posted By: Phatmex
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 1:22 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Big Dog on December 12, 2002
Hey Guys, Great idea to install automatic starters on manuals!!!!!! You must all be engineers to have figured out that the only difference between the two is leaving the car in neutral!!!!!!! Please do your installs soon but don't forget to send pictures of your cars as thay tried to climb walls, go for a swim in the local pools, parked under school busses, ran over your neighbors dog, put your children in wheelchairs, put on a smoke show at the local mall, joined you for breakfast in the kitchen (or basement if the window is wide enough) and other really cool snapshots. By the way, did you ever notice my signature? Don't let it spook you, it'll only happen to your neighbor.
Nice flame dude... Let's see, everyone is looking for info on hooking it up for a MT using some kind of safety device so that it will not do what you describe, and that deserves your response? Way to go dude, hope you feel better about yourself now.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: December 12, 2002 at 10:21 PM
At least use one of these
https://store.autotoys.com/cgi-bin/wfp53024.storefront/3df969a10045b610274dd8f5a50206b1/Product/View/NSSREMOTESTART
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: December 13, 2002 at 11:23 AM
So has anyone heard from Jamie?
-------------
J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: KillKrazed
Date Posted: December 13, 2002 at 12:48 PM
I havn't heard anything from anyone about the plans. I know an installer, but he is not inclined to help me with the entire install. I can get him to help me with most of it though, and I will tell you how it went, maybe pictures too. This won't be soon though, college is really tieing me up.
Posted By: ibzi911
Date Posted: December 13, 2002 at 8:02 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Jamie Ahmt on August 27, 2002
it can be done Iam a viper installer and i hace installed a viper 550 hf to my merc vito van, using a 5 pin relay and a small made up gear lever ring, the viper will only start the van when it is in neutral, contact me for more info..
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 11:06 AM
Ok, so since Jamie isn't posting anything, does anyone else know how to install a magnetic switch or any other typr of safety device that tells a remote starter that the car is in neutral? I am not talking about "ready-mode" either. I am talking about a sensor or switch. Joelr7309 mentioned a magnetic switch and Jamie mentioned the gear lever ring. ANyone done one of these methods or heard more about them.
-------------
J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 12:57 PM
A magnetic switch is basically a hood or trunk pin switch. If the switch is in it's closed position, the signal is connected and the starter will work. If the circuit is open, then it is in gear and the starter will not work. I usually do not do this because all the units that we install are manual transmission ready via a jumper or a jumper wire.
-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:10 PM
Jeff, Have you ever had any trouble with the Directstart models on manual transmissions. Has there been any major or minor problems reported to you? How long have you been selling them ------------- J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:17 PM
The DirectStart's that I have sold for the past 2 years have had 0 returns . I install about 20 % of them into manuals and they work very well. The only problem that I have ever had on one unit was poor range , but that was taken care of with a new antenna. They have 3 year warranties and great support ! The dealer price is very good and they ship within 24 hours of the order.
-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 11:43 AM
Hey Phatmex ,KillKrazed and company, I'll feel better about myself knowing that my sound advice has been taken to heart. Ask any MECP certified installer what they'd do and the response might reflect my ideas. The only true safe way to install any r-starter in a manual is to simply use one designed for that purpose. There are plenty out there. For example Clifford makes the Solaris. It's a r-start / alarm combo with many cool features any plenty of goodies that can be added to the serial port to get full use out of the 16 channel remote. Save the Viper for another car or sell it thru this site at Buy & Sell Equipment .  ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
|