giordon tiger 686 alarm

We are having major troubles trying to understand wiring diagrams and to get wires in there respective positions, here is the system we are having trouble with, when we connnect blue wire to the door lights the alarm goes off when you shut the door instead of going of when you open the door , weve connected the relay as per the wiring diagram and it will not kill/start the engine, diagram is as follows, yellow to alarm system, white to accsesories one, green to main ignition wire, this is as per the diagram but it still doesnt work and also we have no idea how to make our central locking work with this system, we have 2 wires from the central locking and several wires from the unit and we cant work out which ones go where, both units are giordon. The only thing that works is the shock sensor. the alarm is arming with the remote but nothing else is working. This is quite urgent can someone please help us to crack this problem.

Thanks heaps but i still have just a few more questions ignition trigger exactly where does that go.

door trigger how do i get to negative input and i have the starter kill relay set up exactly as you have stated and you can still start car do i have to connect all other wires for this to work   ign kill    tacho wire ect

hi again my name is peter and you have been a incredible help i am a mechanic by trade although i do not practice anymore i bought this alarm and central locking kits of ebay last week and it is for my sons first car i have been trying to make it work all weekend with no success i was going to take it to an auto electician tommorow but now with your help i should be able to make it work.

On the box that the alarm system came in it said remote start but there was only one relay in box does this system have remote start or do they just put that on the box. Also in your first reply to me you mentioned 12 pin plug then some numbers wires ect do i have to connect these and if so where would they be. And where would i get one of those spdt relays would the local auto shop sell them.Or is it just a normal 12v relay.

Hi, you have no idea how useful all this infomation has been ywbd!!.  I did the same as Peter and got a similar model off ebay(giordon TOP-686)- and have spent the last 2 days trying to work out where all the wires go!.  

I  am a little unsure with what 2 of the wires do/go- 

Purple- Tach input -This may be a stupid question but what is 'Tach' ? and if it is what i think it is why does that need to be connected to the alarm?

Blue- Door Trigger (-) Input-  Does this get connected to the interior negative light wire that is activated from the door?

thanks

Andrew

Hi,

Your full of great knowledge!!!  - I Just about understand everything now, except from one thing:  Im not exactly sure what the Tach input (+) is?  is that on the starter motor or is that the alternator(charging system).  On the small diagram i have, it looks like you have to wrap the wire round something - which looks like an alternator???

I hope this is not taking up too much of your time or annoying you!!!

thanks

Andrew

Hi,

I have managed to get most of the wiring sorted thanks to ywdb's super advice!!!- your a wiring genius. 

I have got the central locking all working, which is great.  I just have one problem that is really confusing me: 

The remote start will only work when the alarm is locked for some reason.  Then when it start the engine it runs perfectly for about 20 seconds and then there are lots of ticking noises from the realys and the alarm box........ I dont know what would happen next because i stopped it for obvious reasons!!!!

Anyone got any ideas???

thanks again ywdb, i honestly couldn't have got this far without your help!

Andrew

hi all

i too brought a 686 from ebay and have spent 2 days getting my DIESEL transit to accept it

i have most of it sorted but not sure what the crack is with the remote start function, in an earlier post someone wrote if no ht present then connect to altenator+, does this mean wrap around 5 times as with ht or does it mean join to it? i have tried both and it cranks the van and starts it runs for maybe 3seconds then shuts off then does it again and again and again untill i put ignition on while its running.

i think it is a strong possibility a wire is wrong but have no clue which one please help while i still have a little hair left attached to my head

many thanks

alf

hi again i am just checking through the wiring and have noticed the immobiliser is inactive all the time, i have no feed positive or negative on the yellow wire regardless of the alarm mode i would have expacted an earth in one of the modes to operate the immobiliser or am i barking up the wrong tree?

thanks again and sorry to be a nuisance

alf

hi again

i think i wasnt very clear with my frst post so i shall try to elaborate.

in my diesel ford transit i have no other security apart from the 686 i am currently installing.

i have now managed to sort the kill relay the problem was i followed the wiring diagram instead of my head the white wire from the relay needs to be on a permanent live feed.

i am however still completly stuck with the remote start function, i can arm the alarm, press the start button n the remote 2 times to activate remote start, the van starts runs for 2 seconds then stops, then it starts runs for 2 seconds and stops, it does this 6 or 7 times before quitting,

being a diesel transit i have no tach to putthe violet wire to but have read in this forum i can connect it to the altenator output i have tried this but the outcome is the same, i am finding this VERY frustrating and am getting no closer to a solution. giordon have yet to reply to my enquiry.

thanks again for the prompt reply

alf

First off, Test that IGN wires you are conected to are correct.

Do this by hot wiring the vehicle, with the wires you have connected your module to. ( with a  fused jumper lead, connect the Ignition(s) and accessory(s) to +12 volts and then connect the Starter wire(s) to + 12 volts. When the vehicle starts, release the starter wire..... the vehicle will stay running, the heater/ac blower motor will work, and NO check engine lights will be on the dash, if you have all the right wires.

This will show you two things. Your wires are correct, and there is no passive anti-theft on the vehicle.

If all that works fine, then you probably don't have a good tach wire, or it is not programmed to the module. Tach is measured on your DMM with  the AC scale, and the AC voltage will increase when the RPM of the engine increases ( when you step on the gas pedal). On a diesel, you should be able to use the crankshaft sensor for tach.

If not, you can always buy a 'tach generator module' and interface that with you RS module.

"giordon have yet to reply to my enquiry."  <--- sometimes you get what you pay for.

I recentally bought a Giordon G-686 alarm system which apprears to have no remote start.  I have the alarm fitted but the immobiser and central locking is causing me a problem.  Its going on a 1991 Ford Fiesta XR2i which has standard central locking.  I was wondering how gepeter used relays to get this to work, (i have 4 wires going to the lock,  RED / yellow, brown, white and yellow and alarm has 6cables to join to it.  I am going to have a go at the immobiser again today and see what happens.  Dont know if the white wire from alarm box should connect to acc sereratly or join the relay thing.  It has 2 green wires,  a yellow and a white wire.  I have a yellow and a white wire spare from the alarm box.