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Passlock II Bypass, 98 Silverado

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=32389
Printed Date: May 19, 2024 at 12:21 AM


Topic: Passlock II Bypass, 98 Silverado

Posted By: rod2envy
Subject: Passlock II Bypass, 98 Silverado
Date Posted: May 19, 2004 at 11:27 AM

Hi,

I just purchased two 2 way LCD Alarm/ Remote starts, one for a 2000 Jimmy suv and one for a 98 Silverado pickup. I wasnt aware of the existance of passlock II on this vehicles they seem to old to me to have them. The system I bought does not provide the wire that activates the DEI 555L bypass module which I believe is like some kind of ground signal, not sure though, I cant return the systems and spent almost 400$ on boths.

Question 1;

Can I wrap one of my keys on copper wire and connect it to the passlock wires on my vehicle and this will deactivate the passlock full time and if this is possible has anyone done it before and how can I do this?

Question 2;

Is there anyway in earth I could use the DEI 555L and have it activated by other means other than by the wire that most systems comes with, if this is doable can anyone please draw me a map so that I can follow it and get it done.

Thanks a lot!

Damian 



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Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: May 19, 2004 at 11:45 AM
Use a bypass module. Almost every remote starter made has a wire to activate these modules. It is usually called the ground out when running or negative out when running. Some also call it a third ignition trigger. If the install manual is available check for a wire that usually gives a gound just before remote starting and during remote start. It usually shuts off slightly after the starter is turned off or deactivated. What make and model are the units? This may help answer your problem.

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sparky




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: May 19, 2004 at 12:38 PM
what brand of RS units are they?  and what model?

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Posted By: rod2envy
Date Posted: May 19, 2004 at 8:13 PM

The remote start is called Phoenix Digital PD-175, I bought it of E-bay, I checked the manual and I evern email the dealer that sells it and they said theres not a wire that would do this on this starter, I checked for a 3rd ignition wire but nothing. 

Is there a way to permanently ground the bypass module so it would work all the time? I dont mind loosing the passlock II. Thanks!

Damian 



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"You are either good or not good"




Posted By: mark mcj
Date Posted: May 19, 2004 at 9:28 PM

If you r.s./alarm dosen't have an ignition 3 negative output you will need to use the #1 ignition to trip a relay that is isolated not to trip with the key.

Double check you install manual. I really think any two way remote start alarm system will have a negative ignition 3 output.

The pass-II system can't be bypassed witha wrap of the key or throwing a resistor in.

The Pass-II system sees a resistorized value in the ign 1 postion of the key cylinder then no value at start and then sees the resistor value after start. 

I really think the "00" Bkazer will be a Pass-I not a Pass-II. You may need to identify a "bulb check" wire. I'm kind of suprised the "98" P/U has any starter immobilizer.

The self learning DEI pieces are the way to go. For sure.



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Posted By: rod2envy
Date Posted: May 20, 2004 at 12:47 AM

I double check and theres no IGN3 on it,

I like the idea of the relay. So how would it work do I just buy an automotive relay 5 pins? then how would I wire it,,, I would assume the trigger pin goes to IGN1 or 2 right,,, and the rest of them where would they go.... could you break it down by pins... thank you 

I checked and it is Passlock II on both the 2000 Jimmy and 98 Silverado,, Im also surprised and frustrated, hopefully you guys will be able to help me make it happen... Thanks a gain!



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Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: May 20, 2004 at 9:31 PM
I did a search on your Phoenix Digital PD-175 and found that it is only an alarm system. The remote starter is listed as optional. This probably means that you must also buy a stand alone remote starter that is designed to be activated by an output trigger from an alarm system. You say you can't return the units, but have you tried? The site I saw listed the price for the unit at $111.00 each.

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sparky




Posted By: mark mcj
Date Posted: May 20, 2004 at 10:35 PM
This should work. If anyone sees a screw up shout it out.posted_image

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mark mcj




Posted By: rod2envy
Date Posted: May 20, 2004 at 11:03 PM

Thanks for the reply!

it is a remote start, I have install this units a few times already in some friends vehicles, so I know for a fact it does remote start,

I see the 2 relay wiring, so I assume that the ground signals needed to trigger DEI 555L hooks up to the negative ignition 1 output, am I right.... let me know, :) I seriously appreciate this, Im crossing mmy fingers that this will work. :)

Damian 



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"You are either good or not good"




Posted By: eblend
Date Posted: May 24, 2004 at 7:20 PM
mark...i have the exact same problem right now, really frustrating...but looking at your relay setup...got a question...the ign 1 to vehicle wire..is that the wire that you would hook up to your ign 1 in the car...the only wire to hook up to the  car...so basicly...you don't need another wire running from the rs to the ign1 wire in the car if you haev that one hooked up correct?




Posted By: eblend
Date Posted: May 24, 2004 at 8:21 PM

okay..i got a problem now....my rs uses ignition 1 wire that is in the rs to determine if my car is running or not (when using the key to start)..therefore when it is running it disables the alarm from doing any of its automatic functions (basicly if that wire is not feeding ign1 from the car...it thinks that the car is not even running)...so i went along and followed your diagram and the passlock bypass powers on fine...but the rs start doesn't know that the car is running (when started with the key)...because the IGN1 wire is not feeding back the signal to the remote start...as it stops at pin 57 on your diagram...how can i get around this? Basicly my alarm still thinks its just sitting idle...and when i close my doors...after 30 seconds it automatically closes them and arms the alarm! i would imagine since ign1 is not feeding the signal back...even if i started with RS it would do the same thing (haven't tried with RS yes cuz my passlock is not configured yet)





Posted By: rod2envy
Date Posted: May 24, 2004 at 11:25 PM

Hey eblend, so it worked, the relay set up made the DEI 555L bypass module work? if it does then your problem might be that you need to connect the tach wire which will be strong enough to tell the starter to stop cranking. So whats it doing in your vehicle, what kind of vehicle you have and what are the symptoms.

Damian



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"You are either good or not good"




Posted By: rod2envy
Date Posted: May 24, 2004 at 11:32 PM

Ok, I just read it again, so the by pass does work and the vehicle starts with no problem, now when you get in and try to deactivate it it is not understanding that you put the key in and wont come off rs mode, am I right? if it is check your brake pedal wire, most systems when you insert the key into the run position and hit the break pedal it will deactivate the rs, in mine this wont work. I have to actually hit the button on my remote control to shut it off when I hava inserted the key. You might have to do the same.

Damian



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