2003 Dodge Ram Remote Start

Ungo sr5000 (aka Valet 554r)

2003 Ram 2dr

Remote start activates (dash lights up/gauges ect) but does not crank over.  After testing found no voltage from purple wire in r/s relay pack during start sequence.  I also noticed the fuel pump does not energize during remote start....

Using all the resources from the this site, I believe I've wired everything correctly. 

Remote Start relay pack:

I verified voltage to both red wires (12v const) and to the pink, pink/white and orange wires during the start sequence.  I also have voltage on the other threee terminals on the purple relay, but no voltage from the purple wire.

red>pink/blk

red>RED / wht -16awg

pink>blue-16awg

pink/white>RED / white

orange>green + orange

purple> yellow- starter side

Kill Switch

yellow> blue 16awg

blk>yellow-switch side

violate>yellow starter side

Hood pin is not yet wired (not grounded either)

Brake switch wire was attached (then removed in troubleshooting process)

Performed the tach learn (completed) just to make sure.

I'm completely stumped, I've worked on everything from airplanes (USAF) to bicycles and never been as lost for ideas as I am now.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

-Rick

Reconnected brake switch.  Still not cranking.

Started with the key, activated r/s via the remote and the truck died when I turned off the key.

When activating the remote start dash lights come on, a/c blower operates and the a/c light comes on.  It goes throught his process three times then quits.

I can get a brief reading of 12vlts from the purple wire during the end of each process.  It's just a spike to 12 and straight back to zero.

Help? Bad relay? Any ideas?

-Rick

Purple is the starter wire, it should only read 12V for a brief second to activate starter, if it was constant the starter would just keep cranking forever

I would check to ensure the starter engages.  Run the truck with key, activate R/S and wait a few seconds, say 30. Then remove key to see if it running. My DEi R/S will not run my truck even though the lights flash, so if I pull the keys out it dies, but if I wait 5 seconds after the lights flash then pull out key it is fine.  Chryslers keysense, the vehicle will run w/ out key if you initially started it with it.

Check your 12V inputs - hook them up together to the battery and retry.

TownAndcountry wrote:

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Was the truck purchased and or made in Canada ?

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US truck, made in St. Lou

Tampa77- Starter never turns, fuel pump never starts.  Activate R/S will running with key= three cycles of r/s sequence and then it dies when key removed. 

Thanks afor ALL the suggestions!

I'm still lost.

-Rick

I am unsure of  your R/S unit, but all of the ones I installed had the starter wire tap into the cars starter wire. Is this an alarm too? R/S units would tie direclty in, not have a starter and key side, that is usually for an ignition disable feature. I am installing a Rattler 369D in a 2002 Caravan as we speak (Taking a smoke break now) and I have both red leads to R/S tied to one 12V source, purple to starter, pink to ignition.

From what you are describing I am thinking that the starter may be incorrectly hooked up. Try hooking it directly up to the starter wire and have the starter wire as it was before you started UNLESS the R/S manual says otherwise. 

Tampa- Thanks for the input. 

The Ungo sr5000 is an alarm+remote start made by DEI.  I'm using the Directed wire guide for the 03 Ram and the install guide from the unit.  Shows to wire as I have, with the starter wire cut, not tapped.  The purple start wire runs directly to the starter wire (yellow) on the "starter" side.

-Lost in Tejas

according to my notes the 2003 ram has a chip in the key.....you need a key bypass module,

do this test... hot wire this truck yourself....just use alligator clips, connect all the ignition(S) and accessory(S) to 12Volts and then TAP the starter(S) to 12volts(once started remove the 12volts from starter only). Should start.......if it starts and dies insert the key in the ignition barrel and try to hot wire it again......should start 100%

if it starts...take the unit back to the loser that sold it to you.

let me know if this helps

Slicksam

slicksam wrote:

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according to my notes the 2003 ram has a chip in the key.....you need a key bypass module,

do this test... hot wire this truck yourself....just use alligator clips, connect all the ignition(S) and accessory(S) to 12Volts and then TAP the starter(S) to 12volts(once started remove the 12volts from starter only). Should start.......if it starts and dies insert the key in the ignition barrel and try to hot wire it again......should start 100%

if it starts...take the unit back to the loser that sold it to you.

let me know if this helps

Slicksam

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Slick- Thanks for the reply!

The key is not chiped.  Will crank and start/run with a generic copy.  I'm giving up for now...will get back on it tomorrow. 

Thanks to all,

-Rick

auex]D wrote:

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d you ground the BLACK/ white small gauge wire, nuetral safety switch wire on the alarm? This must be grounded or the remote start will not activate at all.

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Yep, got it grounded with the rest.  I can't imagine what is wrong with this thing.  I know I said I wasn't working on it until tomorrow, but here it is 11:30 and I'm back in the garage staring at it!

Did a little test:

With the remote start sequence started, I tried to send 12v straight to the starter wire (yellow) and got NOTHING.  With the key "on" I can do this and trigger the starter and start the truck.  But with the remote start sequence going, I get nothing.  What the #$%^&?!?

Never been so confused in all my days!

Thanks for all the help guys!

I know some of you have installed on an 02 up Ram, tell me what I've done wrong!

-Rick

auex]T wrote:

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is may be a long shot but I have seen it happen. Verify the colors of the ribbon cable to the way it is in the book, left to right. Also check the fuses on the remote start harness.

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Fuses have been checked, more than once! ;) I've also looked at the ribbon cable (r/s relay pack ) vs the inst. guides descrip.  Appears to be the same.  Starting to look like the $200 (local shop) install charge may have been worthwhile! 

First time in my life I've had something refuse to work when every peice of documented data says it should.  I'm going to start researching different wire guides now.  Can't help but think it's missing an ign. wire somewhere. 

Thanks for all the replies, we'll win this thing together!

-Rick

Help wanted: Somebody to tell me where I messed up!

auex]W wrote:

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ere you at?
Try swapping the start relay with the starter kill relay.

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I'm in Tyler, Texas.  Thanks for asking!

I thought about the bad relay thing earlier today.  Was going to swap it with the dome light relay I had wired up, but found the pin config. to be different and mine wouldn't work with the DEI realy "harness".  At one point I was certain it was a bad relay, now I have my doubts.  With the remote start sequence started, I put 12v to the yellow (starter side) and failed to get a "crank over".  But with the key in the "on" position, the same results in a started engine.  Seemed strange to me.  Combined with the fact that the fuel pump never starts during the r/s leads me to think there is a wire missing somewhere. 

I know from anohter Dodge forum I visit that there are over 70 diferent ECM programs for the 03 Hemi...could it be there are different wiring configs also?!?

Stuck in the garage,

-Rick

jimmeezgolfvr6 wrote:

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i'm almost positive that what you've described indicates that you have yet to connect another ignition or accessory wire. have you tried to hot-wire start your vehicle yet using the wires you've chosen? if you can't then your missing something. everything that comes live when you turn your key needs to be duplicated by the remote starter. after all, that's basically what a remote starter does.....it's a mechanism of hot-wire starting your vehicle that will function when you press your button on the remote.

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Thanks Jimmee, I think you're right.  I've found two variations of wire guides for the Ram.  Pretty interesting, the first (from Directwire) is the way I have it now and the other is from DesignTech

Directwire:

Design Tech:

Okay, sorry for that mess, I wonder why it lookedperfect when I previewed it?!?

Anyway, I have it working now.  Thanks for ALL the help!  It was the small blue wire, I tested it with my DMM while key starting to confirm it did need 12v on start up.  Using directwires guide the small blue is not mentioned, but design tech's guide does list it and even haas a note at the bottom about it.  All appears to be good now, guess everyone was right.  Newbs need two days to do an alarm + r/s.  I thought I could do it in 6 hrs...

Thanks again, 12volt saved me some coin...this place rocks!

-Rick

PS- If anyone finds this while searching for info on 2003 Dodge Ram alarm  / remote start and needs help, PM me.  I'll do all I can to help!

haha, took me two days to do my first first alarm, which had a remote start too :) haven't had a problem with it since :)