Can a Thief Open the Trunk?
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
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Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 9:04 AM
Topic: Can a Thief Open the Trunk?
Posted By: ivanca
Subject: Can a Thief Open the Trunk?
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 1:24 AM
I hear thief can open the door without the key. But can they open the trunk without key?
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Posted By: raydawg357
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 8:48 AM
Where there is a will, there is a way!
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Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 10:34 AM
If I cut the trunk release button and wires on the dash board, how can they open the trunk without the key?
Posted By: deviousjoker
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 11:17 AM
pop the lock just like a door.........but sometimes the trunk key cylinder is recessed which makes it a little harder......plus a crowbar to pry it up also works. ------------- First Class MECP Installer
Posted By: redlight831
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 12:17 PM
in most cases the trunk key is the same as the door key...so i wouldn't see why not
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 3:25 PM
It doesn't take much to pop a trunk with a crowbar.
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Posted By: redlight831
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 5:08 PM
It Doesn't take much to pop open anything with a crowbar for that matter
Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:07 PM
I know the thief can open your door very easy and just 1 minute work and not breaking any part of the door. Just like CAA people. But I am thinking can they open the trunk gently without the key or crewbar? I thief using the crowbar, he can pry out the door, cut the siren and antena, why do we install the alarm system?
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:14 PM
Why do we like asking stupid questions?
They are breaking into your car, why would they be gentle? Hell it wouldn't even take a crowbar, you could probably kick it open if you wanted to.
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Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:15 PM
auex]
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p>If thief using the crowbar, he can pry out the door, cut the siren and antena, why do we install the alarm system?
Go ahead and cut my siren, disconnect the battery too. My alarm will keep going off. Its not a cheesy install. It has backup devices that make it a true security system, not a noise maker.
Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:22 PM
[QUOTE]
Go ahead and cut my siren, disconnect the battery too. My alarm will keep going off. Its not a cheesy install. It has backup devices that make it a true security system, not a noise maker.[/QUOTE] 1. Cut the siren, there is not sound. 2. Cut the antena, you can't get signal by your remote. Any backup antena?
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:26 PM
Dude you are an idiot. There are such things as backup battery sirens, backup batteries, stealth installs (so that they will never find the antenna or brain), and many other things. I have over 40+hours of install time on my alarm. You ain't finding sh*t in the car for the alarm.
Oh yeah, learn to use the quote button.
Also, JWorm I didn't say that, LOL.
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Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:29 PM
ivanca wrote:
why do we install the alarm system?
Everyone has thier own reason(s) for installing an alarm system, even if, it is not based on reality, common sense, or facts.
Some people do it to reduce their deductable. Others do so because it gives them a peace of mind, others hope to reduce the amount of damage that *may occure* during a theft.
Others, want to be informed of a violation, so as they
may dish out their own form of justice.
You cannot stop, or react fast enough to a simple smash and grab, or where it is simple vandalism.
That is the simple fact on that. If the theive(s) intent is to steal the entire vehicle or parts of the vehicle, then, you have a measure of time to react and do what ever you want.
Assuming you are within ear shot of the siren, or have paging capability.
Regardless of the above, common sense and living these key phrases will account to 90% of theft deterrent you will ever get.
And this is simply a life style and common sense.
DONT ADVERTISE - BE AWARE - PARK SMART - RUN STEALTH
Regards
EVIL Teken . . .
Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:30 PM
auex]W wrote:
y do we like asking stupid questions?
They are breaking into your car, why would they be gentle? Hell it wouldn't even take a crowbar, you could probably kick it open if you wanted to.
I knew. I knew thief can do that. But my friend's car was stole the MP3 player last week. and his car is still keeping nice looking, nothing broken on doors, glass or trunk. not just like your guys talking using the screwbar something like that. That is really impressing me very much.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:31 PM
Sorry auex, I edited my post because I screwed up my quoting also. Now I can't go back and change it. I should have realized a long time member here like yourself wouldn't say something that stupid.
I'm only at about 18-20 hours on my alarm install. Someday I'll finish it by adding a couple more piezos and glass break sensor.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 9:33 PM
ivanca wrote:
But my friend's car was stole the MP3 player last week. and his car is still keeping nice looking, nothing broken on doors, glass or trunk.
Ever hear of a slim jim?
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Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: September 02, 2004 at 10:03 PM
i just bought a universal lock out kit from matco, arrived today. its pimp :o i dont say that much... its got the plastic wedge, inflatable wedge, lock button puller (like fords) and a huge pink rod with plastic covered ends to poke power lock buttons or pull handles. takes about 10 seconds with a wet wedge to open a car. as for the trunk, most of the entries ive seen, people knock the key cyl. in and open it. as for windows, they dont have to be smashed. the right amount of pressure in the right spot works well. some shock sensors wont pick that up. thats why there is a glass break audio sensor. now, the alarm had beter go off when the door is open, or you have a horrible install. as for trucks, pop the rear window off track, or hell, be an ass and pull out the whole rear window seal. thats all a bit above the typical smash and grab. those are more for getting around security you know the vehicle has. also if you know what specific deck/subs/whatever youre going for, and how its installed. ------------- MECP certified installer
Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 03, 2004 at 12:20 AM
sroth140 wrote:
i just bought a universal lock out kit from matco, arrived today. its pimp :o i dont say that much... its got the plastic wedge, inflatable wedge, lock button puller (like fords) and a huge pink rod with plastic covered ends to poke power lock buttons or pull handles. takes about 10 seconds with a wet wedge to open a car. as for the trunk, most of the entries ive seen, people knock the key cyl. in and open it. as for windows, they dont have to be smashed. the right amount of pressure in the right spot works well. some shock sensors wont pick that up. thats why there is a glass break audio sensor. now, the alarm had beter go off when the door is open, or you have a horrible install. as for trucks, pop the rear window off track, or hell, be an ass and pull out the whole rear window seal. thats all a bit above the typical smash and grab. those are more for getting around security you know the vehicle has. also if you know what specific deck/subs/whatever youre going for, and how its installed.
Well...your answer is what I want to know. I left key inside car one time, the CAA guy can open my door within 1 minute without breaking anything. It is crazy fast that I can't believe my eyes. From that time, I don't leave anything inside the car. I replaced my cd player as face off DVD player, took off the subwoodfer, replaced the in dash monitor as stand alone monitor. Stand alone monitor is easy carried. Now, i still have some tools worth some money left in the trunk. I cut the wires of release button and install 2 way alarm. But I am still worry about that. Because I find the alarm send out the signal to remote delay 5 seconds from the door is opened. So I think thief can cut the siren and antena or cut the wires on main unit of alarm. Alarm is not hard to be located by just following the brake wire (Most brake wire is easy to be located.) And I know most senior thieves dont break anything to enter the car. If they enter the car with screwbar, that I can't say anything here. screwbar can do what you want. not only car, house also.
Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: September 03, 2004 at 1:08 AM
ok, so install the alarm in a non conventional spot. its not hard to putone behind a glove box or install it from the top of the dash downward. hell, buy someones old broken alarm and tie it up under the dash somewhere visible and tape the wires up with the real alarm wires, like a dummy brain. you could also route the antenna differently, or buy an actual RF paging system. the best thing to do is park smart. even at the bay at work, i park with my trunk against the back wall and atleast one door close to the other wall. the faceplate comes off the radio and into my soft case, then to my tool box. when the sun goes down its right under two bright parking lights and the road behind the shop has decent traffic. my LED is highly visible and there is nothing sitting on my cars interior. my mack back gets lock inthe trunk, and the interior trunk release is cut off, remote trunk only. the cable from the key cyl, is un-hooked. the sub box and amp rack is bolted down, the deck is back strapped to the rear of the dash (firewall). also, i dont play my system loud near my apartment or on the drive to work. usually i only turn it up on the highway  . i park under my window at the apartment, and if customers ask what i have in my car, i say its all stock. most installers say that and mention its no fun to go home and work on you own car. still, it only takes one ass to break a window. im not worried about my stuff going anywhere, just the feeling of violation. ------------- MECP certified installer
Posted By: ivanca
Date Posted: September 03, 2004 at 1:24 AM
sroth140 wrote:
ok, so install the alarm in a non conventional spot. its not hard to putone behind a glove box or install it from the top of the dash downward. hell, buy someones old broken alarm and tie it up under the dash somewhere visible and tape the wires up with the real alarm wires, like a dummy brain. you could also route the antenna differently, or buy an actual RF paging system. the best thing to do is park smart. even at the bay at work, i park with my trunk against the back wall and atleast one door close to the other wall. the faceplate comes off the radio and into my soft case, then to my tool box. when the
COOL!! COOL!! COOL!! COOL!! Thanks so much for your advices!!!! I park my car really close to the wall. It is not easy to use lock out kit or screwbar. I park my car on a rush and bright place as what you say. But I don't know where do I put the sub box and AMP. do you put them in the trunk?under the cover of the spare tire? I still meet a problem is that I live at 10 floor and the car is parked underground. Sometimes it lost signal because the range does not cover so far. Any sugguestion about that?
Posted By: NINsane18
Date Posted: September 05, 2004 at 12:11 PM
Teken and Sroth140 have the right answer. Stealth is the way to go, and do not advertise. I made the mistake of parking my Jeep Grand Cherokee on the street one night, and saw two cars stop in front of the house, they looked into the hatch and in the front and took off down the street not touching my Jeep, gotta love the stealthbox :) I was glad not to be one of the people that had stuff stolen that night on my street. Even full coverage insurance has a deductible on glass, so you are still out money if the p***ks break your window. If they want the stuff that bad, they are going to get it. The alarm is simply a deterrant Ivanca.
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Posted By: tbirdman74
Date Posted: September 06, 2004 at 2:33 AM
I must say that a few of these posts are some of the most prophetic words to live by. DONT advertise... i.e. manufacturer stickers from hell to breakfast covering every window and fender. If you want a show car, build a show car, and lock it in a vault when its not showing. Daily drivers are supposed to be inconspicuous(I think thats how you spell that f****ng word). Dont tell anyone what you have in your ride. In my experiences, 95% of the time your s**t gets jacked, it was by somone you know. They have the best access to the knowledge, what is where, how its put in, and how the security system is configured. I am a firm believer that any mobile electronics product can be disguised or hidden. I have put alarms inside of heater boxes, inside of seatbacks, taken old OEM ECM's and gutted them to put equipment in, then place under dash, who in their right mind would think or look twice at a box that said manufactured in mexico, assembled in taichi or some far off land, and they would waste valuable time looking for something that if it was a punter, would kick the snot right out of their noses. To a theif, Time is the Enemy. If you spend more than 15-20 seconds on a rip and jerk job, they are not a very good theif. And for reference, anyone with a small amount of mechanical inclination, and some determination, can slim jim a door in less than 10 seconds, especially if you know the car you are going to hit, you go to the salvage yard, pop off a door panel, find the appropriate mechinisms, and practice for a few minutes...Bang your done. given a chance to look inside a door, there is not a door on a car on the road that I cannot open. Its just a good thing that I am on the side of Good and not Evil. But I digress, back to what these fine fellows were saying. Be smart, dont boast your setup to all the homies on the corner unless you sleep in it with a .357 and a 165 lb. Rott named Miko. which by the way i have done once or twice....And visual deterents are a fifty fifty shot. They will scare some away, but some think, "if hes showing that hes got a badass alarm, it must be guarding something equally badass" then they plan for your s**t. so just be smart and dont go overboard.
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