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96 accord, aps996a help, 56K no no

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Topic: 96 accord, aps996a help, 56K no no

Posted By: 2 lit jit
Subject: 96 accord, aps996a help, 56K no no
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 8:07 AM

I already posted this in sounddomain and seems like everyone's sick of me...

I already installed this in my 96 accord ex auto already this past weekend, it has no previous keyless entry or alarm from the factory...i have everything is bolt up, however, things are not working too well...siren keeps on going off and won't stop unless i unhook the power...

I understand you guys have lives too and are bz people...but please try to help me, i think it would be easist if you guys just COPY and then paste what i'm about to write, PASTE it into your reply and just go down the list putting NO, or YES or quick explainations...

the guys at sounddomain were telling me alot, but i would really like to know why sometimes, i can just follow directions but i don't think i will really ever learn if i just know how and not why too...thanks!!!

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QUESTION 1 : Yellow wire from HEAD, (Starter output) it says in the manual "This wire must be connected to the VEHICLE side of the starter cust relay. Failure to connect this wire to the IGNITION switch side of the neutral safety switch can result in personal injury and property damage". The VEHICLE side, does this mean the side AWAY from the key ignition switch? or the side CLOSEST to the ignition switch?

QUESTION 2 : I used the ORANGE (Wire 14) on to the Starter cut relay, WTF is that ORANGE / White (Wire 15) wire use for? Do i need it if i'm using the Orange (wire 14) already? It's pissing me off because it sounds exactly like Orange (wire 14) in the manual...They both say TO STARTER INHIBIT RELAY...would anyone care for me to type out what the manual says for both?

QUESTION 3 : I'm confused about the whole ground/+12 switch thing... posted_image Rick says i have a negative trigger system, so I used the brown wire (Wire 22) and wire that to the wire of the little botton on the side of the door that pushes in or out (i'm guessing that this is the door trigger)...is this right?

QUESTION 4 : Another question about positive and negative things, Rick said that number 13, is positive, thus needing to go to a 12 volt, I wired this straight to a battery, should i add a fuse? What is the difference between this and WHITE Wire 1? Is it that the input (Wire 13) is to bring in power (to what relay?) and (wire 1) is just to send out a signal? (to the parking lights to turn them on?)

QUESTION 5 : my system came with 2 pins, one for the trunk and one for the hood...the manual says there should be two wires coming out of each pin, wire one to the Negative shutdown wire (Wire 24) and one to the Alarm instant trigger (Wire 10)...so what i did was wired two wires, one from the hood pin, one from the trunk pin, both to Wire 24, and the other two to Wire 10...does this sound correct?

WIRES THAT I'M USING:

1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 11, 14, 20

WIRES THAT I'M NOT USING:

5, 6, 7, 12, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 23

WIRES THAT I'M NOT SURE: (IN QUESTIONS)

10, 13, 15, 22, 24

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Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 9:41 AM
QUESTION 1 : Yellow wire from HEAD, (Starter output) it says in the manual "This wire must be connected to the VEHICLE side of the starter cust relay. Failure to connect this wire to the IGNITION switch side of the neutral safety switch can result in personal injury and property damage". The VEHICLE side, does this mean the side AWAY from the key ignition switch? or the side CLOSEST to the ignition switch? If you cut the starter wire and installed a starter kill relay, then you need to hook up the starter output wire to the starter side of the relay, not the key side.

QUESTION 2 : I used the ORANGE (Wire 14) on to the Starter cut relay, WTF is that ORANGE / White (Wire 15) wire use for? Do i need it if i'm using the Orange (wire 14) already? It's pissing me off because it sounds exactly like Orange (wire 14) in the manual...They both say TO STARTER INHIBIT RELAY...would anyone care for me to type out what the manual says for both? Thats weird, maybe they have 2 of them in case you have a vehicle with 2 starter wires.

QUESTION 3 : I'm confused about the whole ground/+12 switch thing... Rick says i have a negative trigger system, so I used the brown wire (Wire 22) and wire that to the wire of the little botton on the side of the door that pushes in or out (i'm guessing that this is the door trigger)...is this right? I show your door trigger is negative also, but it is a BLACK/ White wire in a brown plug to the left of the steering column. It will read 0 volts when door is open. Connect Pin 22 to this wire

QUESTION 4 : Another question about positive and negative things, Rick said that number 13, is positive, thus needing to go to a 12 volt, I wired this straight to a battery, should i add a fuse? What is the difference between this and WHITE Wire 1? Is it that the input (Wire 13) is to bring in power (to what relay?) and (wire 1) is just to send out a signal? (to the parking lights to turn them on?) Yes, fuse it, unless the unit mentions some other means of protecting the circuit. Some units have internal fuses and some even have resetable breakers if you will. This wire goes to 12v+ since you have positive parkinglights. So there is a relay on board that needs 12v+ or chassis ground depending on what type of otuput your vehicle requires.

QUESTION 5 : my system came with 2 pins, one for the trunk and one for the hood...the manual says there should be two wires coming out of each pin, wire one to the Negative shutdown wire (Wire 24) and one to the Alarm instant trigger (Wire 10)...so what i did was wired two wires, one from the hood pin, one from the trunk pin, both to Wire 24, and the other two to Wire 10...does this sound correct? What type of switches are these? I assume one wire from each is meant to go to chassis ground and the then the other wire from the hood pin goes to pin 24 and the other wire from the trunk goes to pin 10. Pin 10 is a (-) input trigger so the trunk opening will trigger the switch and connect the two wires which will send a ground signal to pin 10 and sound the alarm. Pin 24 is the same thing but it will also shut down the RS



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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: 2 lit jit
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 11:50 AM

QUESTION 1 : Yellow wire from HEAD, (Starter output) it says in the manual "This wire must be connected to the VEHICLE side of the starter cust relay. Failure to connect this wire to the IGNITION switch side of the neutral safety switch can result in personal injury and property damage". The VEHICLE side, does this mean the side AWAY from the key ignition switch? or the side CLOSEST to the ignition switch? If you cut the starter wire and installed a starter kill relay, then you need to hook up the starter output wire to the starter side of the relay, not the key side.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CLEARED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! posted_image

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QUESTION 2 : I used the ORANGE (Wire 14) on to the Starter cut relay, WTF is that ORANGE / White (Wire 15) wire use for? Do i need it if i'm using the Orange (wire 14) already? It's pissing me off because it sounds exactly like Orange (wire 14) in the manual...They both say TO STARTER INHIBIT RELAY...would anyone care for me to type out what the manual says for both? Thats weird, maybe they have 2 of them in case you have a vehicle with 2 starter wires.

For wire 15, ORANGE / White - The book says: "300mA Ground output when disarmed - N.O. Starter Disable (Optional Relay Required).  This wire is provided to control the starter cut relay.  Connect the ORANGE / white wire to terminal 86 of the relay.  Connnect relay terminal 85 to an ignition wire in teh vehical that is live when the key is in the on and crank positions, and off when the key is in the off position. (Where the yellow wire from the alarm should be connected.)  Cut the low current starter solenoid wire in the vehical, and connect one side of the cut wire to relay terminal 87.  Connect the othe side of the cut wire to relay terminal 30.

The only difference between wire 15 and wire 14 (Orange) is that wire 14 is "300 mA ground output when armed  to control teh starter inhibit relay", and wire 15 is "This wire is provided to control the starter cut relay".

If Someone could just tell me if i need this or not then that would do it for this wire...I'm guessing no but i'm just pissed at this wire and because of my experience, have no idea if i need it or not...thanks!!!!

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QUESTION 3 : I'm confused about the whole ground/+12 switch thing... Rick says i have a negative trigger system, so I used the brown wire (Wire 22) and wire that to the wire of the little botton on the side of the door that pushes in or out (i'm guessing that this is the door trigger)...is this right? I show your door trigger is negative also, but it is a BLACK/ White wire in a brown plug to the left of the steering column. It will read 0 volts when door is open. Connect Pin 22 to this wire

THANK YOU, I will check that wire and will do as you say...once again thanks!!!!!!!!!!

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QUESTION 4 : Another question about positive and negative things, Rick said that number 13, is positive, thus needing to go to a 12 volt, I wired this straight to a battery, should i add a fuse? What is the difference between this and WHITE Wire 1? Is it that the input (Wire 13) is to bring in power (to what relay?) and (wire 1) is just to send out a signal? (to the parking lights to turn them on?) Yes, fuse it, unless the unit mentions some other means of protecting the circuit. Some units have internal fuses and some even have resetable breakers if you will. This wire goes to 12v+ since you have positive parkinglights. So there is a relay on board that needs 12v+ or chassis ground depending on what type of otuput your vehicle requires.

So I will wire #13 to a battery then with a fuse...JUST TO CONFIRM --> I will then wire #1 to the parking light wires from the car then right? (thats what i have right now) RED / Black in Fuse panel, Blue connector. (From vehical database)

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QUESTION 5 : my system came with 2 pins, one for the trunk and one for the hood...the manual says there should be two wires coming out of each pin, wire one to the Negative shutdown wire (Wire 24) and one to the Alarm instant trigger (Wire 10)...so what i did was wired two wires, one from the hood pin, one from the trunk pin, both to Wire 24, and the other two to Wire 10...does this sound correct? What type of switches are these? I assume one wire from each is meant to go to chassis ground and the then the other wire from the hood pin goes to pin 24 and the other wire from the trunk goes to pin 10. Pin 10 is a (-) input trigger so the trunk opening will trigger the switch and connect the two wires which will send a ground signal to pin 10 and sound the alarm. Pin 24 is the same thing but it will also shut down the RS

Those are just plain jane pin switches...the book shows TWO wires coming from each one of them...both wires come from the bottom part of the pin switches...Both wires come from the same part of the switch, meaning that the pin would only have one wire coming from the bottom but the book shows it being split into two wires, ONE goes to the "Alarm instant trigger wire" (Wire 10) and one goes to "Negative shutdown wire" (Wire 24).

Thanks for your help so far man...much appreciate it...hopefully i can finish this job this weekend...thanks!!!!





Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 12:01 PM
You will notice the key difference being ground when DISARMED versus ground when ARMED. A normally open starter kill relay means that the starter circuit is open when the relay is not energized, which means you would have to energize the relay somehow if you wanted to start the car with the key. In order to do this you would use the ORANGE / white wire. This is not a typical setup, but is typically more secure than a normally closed setup. I assume you set up the relay so that the starter circuit is closed when the relay is not energized so you need the orange wire only.

For parking lights thats correct. But as far as the fuse goes doesn't the parkinglight output wire (pin 1) have a fuse on it?

I think i understand the 2 wires: One wire is meant to shut the starter down, and the other is to trigger the alarm. You dont need to shut down the starter with the trunk pin, but you do want to do this with the hood pin.



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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: 2 lit jit
Date Posted: November 18, 2004 at 1:40 PM
thank you very much...much appreciated posted_image





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