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Passlock Cavalier

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 28, 2024 at 10:50 PM


Topic: Passlock Cavalier

Posted By: Falcon 1
Subject: Passlock Cavalier
Date Posted: January 07, 2005 at 8:53 PM

I put in a bulldog remote start in a 99 Cavalier. I also used the bulldog bypass but the car only turns over then shuts down. It will remote start with the key in the ignition. I was searching for the link to bypass the passlock with the relay and resistor method if someone can point me in the right direction. Thanks



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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.



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Posted By: homey88
Date Posted: January 07, 2005 at 9:15 PM

If you wired the bypass right, then all you have to do is start the car with the key let run for 2min so the bypass can learn the code and then it should work. They recomend you clear the memory first, then look for a red led in the inside corner where the 8-pin harnes plugs in and when you do the learning process the led will go out, they say it takes two min but the ones i have done it only took thirty seconds.



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Brian




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 07, 2005 at 9:31 PM
I have already tried it with the bypass exactly how you said homey88 and it remote started at least 6 or 7 times with no problem. It is now 4 days later after I did this install and it will not remote start the passlock system keeps shutting it down.

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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: homey88
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 12:57 AM
sounds like you have a bad module, I do remember that there tech line sad somthing about a problem and they tell a way to fix.      Did you clear the memory on the bypass, if so do you see a red led, if so watch it and it should go out after 30seconds to 2min of running with key start, if not you either have a bad bypass or somthing possably hooked up wrong. I bet its a bad module i had a bad bulldog bypass last week!

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Brian




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 8:22 AM
I did clear the memory as per  the instructions and still have the same problem. The red LED works just like it should but the car just will not stay running under remote power. I have used these same bypasses before on different vehicle's Chrysler and GM and they have always worked.

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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 10:07 AM
No the module is fine. It just doesn't work on 99 Cavaliers. It is supposed to but it doesn't. I have run into this problem so i just made up my own relay resistor method.

Look at Diagram #3 (Temporary Passlock I Bypass)

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 10:10 AM
Don't use Diagram #1 on that page the link above takes you to: it doesn't work 100% of the time and hence you cannot start the car with the key sometimes.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: dobber0003
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 11:04 AM

if you use the diagram posted the car will somtimes shut down and then not start with key once in a while.  A latching relay needs to be added so that when you press brake and remote start shuts down the override module stays on untill the ignition shuts off again.  Some cars don't like the transition when relay shuts off.





Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 11:23 AM
Use the diagram, it works flawlessy 100% of the time on 99 Cavaliers.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 1:02 PM

I have a question for jrilla. I tried the same as diagram 1 yesterday with a single relay and it didn't work this is why I posted the topic. I took a look at the link you provided with two relay's and you say this will work 100% of the time even with the key? This is the first time I seen it with two relays. My other concern is what dobber0003 says about doing it this way. Who is correct? Thanks again.



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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 2:44 PM
The car will not shut off, and even if it did, passlock I does not have a timeout feature like passlock II so the car would be able to start right back up. But like I said that is if the car shut down but it wont. Once the car is started successfully and is running, the passlock will not shut the car down if the wire is cut. That is how you measure the resistence in the first place. start the car, cut the yellow wire and then measure the resistence. The car does not shut off. The security light comes on when the wire is cut during the resistence measuring, but it will not come on when the relay shuts off since the break in the wire will be just a small fraction of a second.

If you are still not convinced you can add a third relay that would latch turning the ground when running wire from the Remote Starter into a constant ground as long as the ignition remains ON during and after a remote start.


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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 3:56 PM
I am going to try bypassing the passlock as in the link jrilla posted diagram 3. I will post results, the car is supposed to come back later today.

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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: slicksam
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 5:50 PM

off topic.....but when ever someone starts a thread with the word "cavalier" or "sunfire"

it always become the most responded and/or viewed.

then you ask yourself......I wonder what those people are driving?

Sorry but those are the worst cars ever built and that is all you see on the road today.

p.s. I hope I don't get anyone mad.....This is just an opinion



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Testing is the key




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 08, 2005 at 6:49 PM

Hey slicksam I totally agree with you I can't even get in and out of those cars they are definately built for people shorter than 5ft. posted_imageThe car actually belongs to a friends daughter so you didn't get me mad.

Anyways I ended up trying another bypass before I tried the relay and resistor method that jrilla recommended and everything seems to be working fine now.



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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: mladams
Date Posted: January 20, 2005 at 11:06 PM
If you think these cars are bad I'd like to know what you drive. I have had a Cavlier for over two years and love the car. Any car has it's problem as does yours I'm sure. Just tell me what you drive and I'll poke wholes through it too. If you know what your doing and work on the cars right they are the most reliable and well built cars on the road. That might just be one clue as to why so many people own them.

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Matt Adams
Electrical Engineer Major
York College of PA
Chevy Cavy Rally Sport




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 20, 2005 at 11:50 PM
posted_imageDon't know abouot you guys but I use the PLXR for the Passlock I vehicles and it works great for me. If all else fails, using a resistor and relay is great ................... if you have the time to do that.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: slicksam
Date Posted: January 21, 2005 at 12:29 AM

mladams wrote:

If you think these cars are bad I'd like to know what you drive. I have had a Cavlier for over two years and love the car. Any car has it's problem as does yours I'm sure. Just tell me what you drive and I'll poke wholes through it too. If you know what your doing and work on the cars right they are the most reliable and well built cars on the road. That might just be one clue as to why so many people own them.

Are you a women?......I never said that car is no good.

I said everyone buys these cars cause there CHEAP, you said you had it 2 years...lucky you......wait 2 or 3 more years then you will see. This just goes to show you how many cavaliers are out there.....next time you drive down the road.....count, just for fun.  splurge that extra 20 or 40 dollars a month and get yourself a real car like a honda civic. You know something, i think the cavalier goes for about 12.000.00CAD maybe more or less not sure exactly, if you get into an sccident and that car flips over......that car is scrap, cause the total estimate might surpass the cost of the car.

here this is what i drive..make fun of this if you can

https://img128.exs.cx/img128/6484/ranger01htm8fh.jpg

https://img128.exs.cx/img128/8995/picture0083qi.jpg

I speak the truth..sorry for any cavalier owners, I am an installer and I heard stories of these cars



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Testing is the key




Posted By: mladams
Date Posted: January 21, 2005 at 12:45 PM
A real car like a civic? yeah right. you know how many of those we have endless prblems with. talk about a cheap car. you even touch the dash the thing falls apart. We've had to replace endless dash pieces because the dash peices break so easily. Not to mention the quality of the rest of the car. Every time we get one in it's leaking something, usually oil. And your car is just another crappy ford ranger. I had a ford and had nothing but problems. My friends have owned them and hated it. So yes, I don't like your car either. If you have only heard stories you really can't make a judgment. You never even worked on the car so how would you know. Why do you guys have to act like you know it all. I come on this site to get feedback for new ideas and then I find you guys bashing my car. I don't go around bashing others cars unless they ask for it. I've worked endless hours on my car and I bet it functions ten times better then yours plus the fact that it does ten times the stuff.

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Matt Adams
Electrical Engineer Major
York College of PA
Chevy Cavy Rally Sport




Posted By: Falcon 1
Date Posted: January 21, 2005 at 3:13 PM
Hey mladams I never said the car was bad I just said I can't fit in them because of my height. I would also agree with you that EVERY CAR  has had some issue with it in its lifetime none are perfect. I have owned 2 honda's and cars and trucks from the big three all had something go wrong when I owned them. Also I believe any car is only as good as how the owner treats it and maintains it.

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Do it right the first time, only a doctor can bury his mistakes.




Posted By: slicksam
Date Posted: January 21, 2005 at 4:17 PM

mladams wrote:

A real car like a civic? yeah right. you know how many of those we have endless prblems with. talk about a cheap car. you even touch the dash the thing falls apart. We've had to replace endless dash pieces because the dash peices break so easily. Not to mention the quality of the rest of the car. Every time we get one in it's leaking something, usually oil. And your car is just another crappy ford ranger. I had a ford and had nothing but problems. My friends have owned them and hated it. So yes, I don't like your car either. If you have only heard stories you really can't make a judgment. You never even worked on the car so how would you know. Why do you guys have to act like you know it all. I come on this site to get feedback for new ideas and then I find you guys bashing my car. I don't go around bashing others cars unless they ask for it. I've worked endless hours on my car and I bet it functions ten times better then yours plus the fact that it does ten times the stuff.

My truck is crappy?.....Did I hear you right?...buddy, I don't want to start an argument, but you just did.

I don't want to give my truck the best rating, but you wanna compare your GM to my ford ranger?

first off....I can drive over your GM and in the snow....I would eat you up. compare the price tag from your gm to my ford...even better compare a toyota corolla to your gm......That gm you have is the CHEAPEST on the market today. Have you noticed lately what people are starting to drive.......FORD AND DODGE, there coming back strong in looks and power and I always said it that the JAPENESE CARS are well built.

sec...quote from you"You never even worked on the car so how would you know", I never said nothing to you to insult your intelligence....and I have been an installer and a troubleshooter for 12 years....I have some dealers calling ME to try and fix some of there cars.

third....I had a 93 civic dx coupe 5 speed......I NEVER had 1 problem with that car and I pushed that car to the limit(who knows I might of gotten lucky)

I picked a civic cause there decent cars.....now I could of picked toyota corolla(some car in that category) go ahead bash that car to.

and last anther quote from you "I've worked endless hours on my car"   NEED I SAY MORE....I REST MY CASE



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Testing is the key




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: January 21, 2005 at 4:35 PM
dont you ladies think you've gotten off the topic a tad???

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: mladams
Date Posted: January 22, 2005 at 10:29 PM

Falcon 1 wrote:

Hey mladams I never said the car was bad I just said I can't fit in them because of my height. I would also agree with you that EVERY CAR  has had some issue with it in its lifetime none are perfect. I have owned 2 honda's and cars and trucks from the big three all had something go wrong when I owned them. Also I believe any car is only as good as how the owner treats it and maintains it.

I agree with you Falcon 1. I never meant to really start an argument but I guess I got a bit defensive cause I've worked hard to improve on my car. But then again anyone who works on their car is proud of it and doesn't want it insulted. Sorry if I offended you. Anyway, back to the topic.



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Matt Adams
Electrical Engineer Major
York College of PA
Chevy Cavy Rally Sport





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