Best Buy Install, Viper 791
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Topic: Best Buy Install, Viper 791
Posted By: jdeluna
Subject: Best Buy Install, Viper 791
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 6:33 PM
I am thinking of purchasing from BEST BUY a Viper 791 Alarm / Remote Start system and of course having them install it too. My question is do they solder, T-tap, or crimp ??? Or is it up to each individual shop or installer with what they want to use and do ?? By the way I am in Virginia Beach, Virgnia if it helps. Thanks for any info. God Bless. :)
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Posted By: audifive
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 7:14 PM
their installers are supposed to use solder. you'll never see a t taps used at a bestbuy
Posted By: the don
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 7:26 PM
crimp all the way and most don't no what there doing
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Posted By: metaverse
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 8:05 PM
Solder all connections and use Tach, from what I have heard..
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 8:52 PM
Its company policy for them to solder all conections when they are doing command starts and alarms. I have never seen one that was done any other way. And to make the generalization that most do not know what they are doing is, to be blunt, a dumb ass comment.
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Posted By: Jschult3
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 8:56 PM
If you have any real doubts, ask the installer before he gets started. Tell them you want it soldered and be present during some or all of the install. Try to get them on a slow day if you can.
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Jeff
Always Verify Wire information before Connecting! Just a Darn Good DIY'R
Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 9:26 PM
The bestbuy installer in Colorado Springs crimp all and any connections made with remote start, alarms, and stereo. And they really don't know what they are doing.
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2 12" Solo's
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 9:50 PM
I am not saying that some dont crimp, nor am I saying that some sould really be taken outta the garage before they start something on fire, I just get pissed when someone makes a comment like "most don't know what there doing" when the company employs over 1000 installers all across america and into canada and I am guessing the guy who made the comment probally doesnt know more than 5 of them.
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Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 10:16 PM
Ravendarat wrote:
I am not saying that some dont crimp, nor am I saying that some sould really be taken outta the garage before they start something on fire, I just get pissed when someone makes a comment like "most don't know what there doing" when the company employs over 1000 installers all across america and into canada and I am guessing the guy who made the comment probally doesnt know more than 5 of them.
You're right, he shouldn't have made that comment. You must work for bestbuy ------------- 05 Nissan Altima 35SE
2 12" Solo's
Pioneer AVIC-N1
Chrome Z Grill
Posted By: Javelin3o4
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 10:33 PM
I feel the same way as raven, people think sometimes just cause you work for a retail chain and not some small local shop that you just do sh*tty work just to get it out. And yes I work for bestbuy as an installer for 2 years and a service tech for another 3.5yrs. and I DO use solder when i do alarms, we are not allowed to use T-Taps, if they are then they are not following policy. I do agree there are people that do installs that dont really know what they are doing but that doesnt mean everyone that works for the company doesnt know how to install.
Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 23, 2005 at 10:42 PM
I work for bestbuy also and MOST of our installers don't know what they were doing and don't know how to use a solder. Everyone would go to the other store to have there stereos and alarms installed. Like Javelin said "that doesn't mean everyone that works for the company doesn't know how to install.
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05 Nissan Altima 35SE
2 12" Solo's
Pioneer AVIC-N1
Chrome Z Grill
Posted By: cerwinvega4
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 12:02 AM
Kcjames215, what is YOUR job at Best Buy anyways? In your first post you stated, "The bestbuy installer in Colorado Springs crimp all and any connections made with remote start, alarms, and stereo. And they really don't know what they are doing."
You just now said you work at Best Buy, so im assuming your not an installer, unless you are one of the installers that "really doesnt know what they are doing."
Now, im really going out on a limb here, but bare with me......is it safe to assume your the "smart guy" on the sales floor SELLING the car audio, but you think you know everything about installing it?
On a side not, why would crimp caps be used on a remote start? Is it somehow faster to cut a wire in half, strip both sides down, then put a crimp cap on? Rather then slitting it open and sliding the wire inside and soldering it? Im really lost on that subject.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 4:11 AM
I was kind wondering the same thing about the crimping but I then just assumed he ment t-taps, which were created by satin himself but that is covered in a different thread. For those who wondered or care I do not work for Best Buy directly but for Futureshop. We basically are Canada's version of best buy and about 4 years ago were bought by them. I have had to deal with the same generalizations that because I work at a big box store I am some punk kid who doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground and do nothing but sh*t work. Funny thing is I see far worse work come from some of the local "high end" shops. I am assuming it is due to them working on a commision based paycheck where the more cares they get done the more they get paid, where as I do not. I CHOSE to work at a big box retailer because I like knowing that the company I am working for is not gonna go anywhere any time soon, and if I wanna move I have the benifit of being able to transfer. Both those things made me take a pay cut to go work there, and to all the neigh sayers I just kinda laugh and turn my stereo up a couple more notches. I think the problem here is that if a local shop does bad work then two things happen, the shop gets a bad rep real quick and eventually they close. In the big box world if someone does bad work then their rep gets trashed and with the wonderful invention of the internet and other means of word of mouth, people start making generalizations like the one above and it just spreads like cancer. I am sick of being sh*t on for other people not doing their damn job. I am still trying to fix our rep in town because the installer who worked here 5 years ago was a hack in every sense of the word. But to anyone who has a problem or thinks big box stores cant do nice work, I emplore you to check out www.hzemall.com and check out some of the demo vehicles he did for various comanies like MTX and Rockford. Some of those vehicles were done while he worked at Future Shop. I am done with this little rant for now but if someone wants to get me going again just say so. ------------- double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer
Posted By: daniel2002p
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 8:09 AM
I work for best buy, and I do not even think to use crimp caps or t taps, ALL of my connections a solodered, even though the radio harnesses are allowed to be crimped. I agree some installers do not belong in the shop, but that is not the case for every installer.
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Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 8:11 AM
cerwinvega4 wrote:
Kcjames215, what is YOUR job at Best Buy anyways? In your first post you stated, "The bestbuy installer in Colorado Springs crimp all and any connections made with remote start, alarms, and stereo. And they really don't know what they are doing."
You just now said you work at Best Buy, so im assuming your not an installer, unless you are one of the installers that "really doesnt know what they are doing."
Now, im really going out on a limb here, but bare with me......is it safe to assume your the "smart guy" on the sales floor SELLING the car audio, but you think you know everything about installing it?
On a side not, why would crimp caps be used on a remote start? Is it somehow faster to cut a wire in half, strip both sides down, then put a crimp cap on? Rather then slitting it open and sliding the wire inside and soldering it? Im really lost on that subject.
I'm not an installer, I'm a tech. You are right to assume that I am a smart guy. But first of all, I didn't say I know everything about installing. But I do know piss ass work when I see it. So don't all pissy because I'm calling out a certain bestbuy or certain installers. Who knows you might be one of them. ------------- 05 Nissan Altima 35SE
2 12" Solo's
Pioneer AVIC-N1
Chrome Z Grill
Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 8:12 AM
cerwinvega4 wrote:
Kcjames215, what is YOUR job at Best Buy anyways? In your first post you stated, "The bestbuy installer in Colorado Springs crimp all and any connections made with remote start, alarms, and stereo. And they really don't know what they are doing."
You just now said you work at Best Buy, so im assuming your not an installer, unless you are one of the installers that "really doesnt know what they are doing."
Now, im really going out on a limb here, but bare with me......is it safe to assume your the "smart guy" on the sales floor SELLING the car audio, but you think you know everything about installing it?
On a side not, why would crimp caps be used on a remote start? Is it somehow faster to cut a wire in half, strip both sides down, then put a crimp cap on? Rather then slitting it open and sliding the wire inside and soldering it? Im really lost on that subject.
I'm not an installer, I'm a tech. You are right to assume that I am a smart guy. But first of all, I didn't say I know everything about installing. But I do know piss ass work when I see it. So don't all pissy because I'm calling out a certain a bestbuy or certain installers. Who knows you might be one of them. ------------- 05 Nissan Altima 35SE
2 12" Solo's
Pioneer AVIC-N1
Chrome Z Grill
Posted By: cerwinvega4
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 10:51 AM
Thank you Kcjames for telling me your a tech, thats all i need to hear.
Posted By: kcjames215
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 10:57 AM
You know cerwinvega, you seem to think that I said all bby installers don't know what they are doing? Reread my comments. There are a few that can't and there are a few local shop that can't. But I see you take it very personal (pissy) when someone talks the truth. Just like some techs should be working on computers. Since you can't handle that then this post is closed.
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05 Nissan Altima 35SE
2 12" Solo's
Pioneer AVIC-N1
Chrome Z Grill
Posted By: cerwinvega4
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 10:57 AM
By the way, pretty much all the tech's at the store i work are idiots that knew hardly anything about computers before they got their jobs. GENERALIZATION would tell us that more than likely you are one of those techs as well.
Posted By: danieljaluise
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 11:12 AM
I worked at best buy for a while. Most of the techs are gaming nerds that don't know anything, but some do know what they are doing. But if you're someone who takes your computer to these people in the first place, then you should deserve to deal with there stupidity. As for the installers, most of them are more concerned with how much merchandise they can walk away with, rather than doing a decent job on cars. Car audio does attract some "hood rich" ghetto people, so what can you expect?
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 12:30 PM
I'll second the FS workmanship...... it's good. And no... I do not work for FS either, nor BestBuy. They have a pretty strong 12V department from what I've seen, and they do good work.
Does that Ewald character still work for Future Shop? Haven't seen hide nor hair of him in years.
Gus
PS: When's the Brandon store opening?
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Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 2:41 PM
wow...it only took one reply for this thread to veer way off course... if you want to know if they solder all their connections, go and ask them!! ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 5:20 PM
Dave Ewald is the western Canada install manager.
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Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 5:50 PM
Ravendarat wrote:
Dave Ewald is the western Canada install manager.
Dave Ewald runs the winnipeg market, Mark Cadinha is the Western Canadian Regional Installation Manager.
------------- Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Javelin3o4
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 7:18 PM
Ive seen my fair share of lousy comp techs at bby, but i know alot that are really good. I had one guy that was A+ and MCSE certified and called me at home one day cause he was doing a memory install and when he turned the computer on all it did was beep. After looking at the comp, he tried to but the memory in backwards (and anyone who has done memory knows its key'ed to only go in one way) and he bent the pins in the memory slot shorting out the motherboard. I also had one that was a former IBM field tech and couldnt manage to install a cdrom drive. But again this does not mean all bby comp techs suck either.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: January 24, 2005 at 10:34 PM
Thanks Shaughn, I get those guys mixed up way to often. It seems like Dave is talking on more responsibilities as it pertains to the region every month.
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