command start starter
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=4850
Printed Date: April 27, 2024 at 5:21 PM
Topic: command start starter
Posted By: hondaman
Subject: command start starter
Date Posted: October 26, 2002 at 4:48 PM
i am hoping someone can help me out. i need to get a manual or something to reprogram the command start in a used car that i have. the starter used to work, but no longer works. the keyfob has good batteries, etc, and we can make the lights flash, but no start. so anyways, if someone can help me out for the programming or give me a website to check, that would be great. the command start website was not helpful enough, we tried there already. what they list will not work. thanks!
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 26, 2002 at 9:05 PM
How many light flashes do you get when you try to start the vehicle with the key FOB ?
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hondaman
Date Posted: October 27, 2002 at 6:15 AM
hm, good question. i can tell you tomorrow sometime. i am not able to check until tomorrow.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 27, 2002 at 8:04 AM
Let me know as the number flashes tells you what is wrong with the installation.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 28, 2002 at 8:11 AM
when you press the first button, it doesn't flash at all, when you press the 2nd button, it flashes once, then press the 2nd button again, it flashes twice. thanks in advance for the help!
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 28, 2002 at 11:32 AM
check to make sure the on/off switch under the dash is on. I assume the button on the fob is beeping when you push button 1?
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 28, 2002 at 1:49 PM
yes, the button beeps as you press the button, the switch is on.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 28, 2002 at 2:04 PM
actually, after screwing around some, we found that with button one, after turning the switch off then on again, we got one long flash once, and the fuel pump whirred to life. then it didn't start. then if we push the futton again, we get 9 flashes from button one. so is it a code "9"? if so, what does that mean? please help! thank you!
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 28, 2002 at 5:26 PM
can you see what model the remote starter is? Some old 2500 models had a protection built in so that if the car didn't start once it would never allow it to start again. If that is the case it would flash 10 time when the start button was pushed. Try shutting the on/off switch OFF and pressing button 1 and 2 at the same time. If this works, the lights will flash 15 times. Then turn the switch back on and see if it starts. The model would help as Command start changed a few things over the years.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 29, 2002 at 5:20 AM
the model is a cs 2400. it flashes 9 times when you press button one....
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 29, 2002 at 7:39 AM
If I turn the switch off and depress both buttons at the same time, the lights flash 15 times. Turning the switch back on and pressing button 1 causes the lights to stay on for several seconds, but the car does not start. Pressing the button again produces 9 flashes.
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 29, 2002 at 11:15 AM
OK. You will need to reset it with the method I posted each time it fails to start. First thing to check is make sure the orange 12guage wire on the remote starter has a good connection to the vehicle. Test light should light up on the orange wire when you hold the starter to crank. Also it might help if we knew what kind of vehicle you are working on. If it is installed with scotch locks I suggest removing them and soldering.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 8:34 AM
The orange 12 gauge wire on the remote starter wire does deliver 12 volts when button 1 is depressed (ofter resetting). Still not activating the starter, however the fuel pump starts.
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 8:47 AM
Check to make sure that the wire that the orange wire is hooked to also is getting 12v when button 1 is pressed. In other words you are checking to make sure your connection is good.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 9:04 AM
yep, i traced the wire, it is soldered to a really big(like 8 gauge) yellow wire, which looks like it might be the start position wire of the key. it is an oldsmobile cutlass supreme, 1995-96(i forget which)
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 9:07 AM
according to the wiring harness info on this site, the yellow is the starter signal wire. so technically, it has the signal to start the car, right?
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 6:39 PM
Check the Vats (passkey) bypass. Try putting the key in the ignition while using the remote starter. This might not work either but also check all the connections and resistor value.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 7:31 PM
Did you try to relearn the tach signal ? ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 30, 2002 at 8:46 PM
hondaman, I assumed by what you said before that the car is not cranking over? Is that the case or is it just not starting (running) Jeff, 2400 command starts (all command starts up until this year) do not have have a tach learning procedure. You have to program it with the remote to the appropriate cylinder setting. Also the car should still cranks over and start even if there is no tach signal or setting is wrong, but the starter will hang on until crank time has expired.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 31, 2002 at 5:54 AM
ok. It works when the ignition key is inserted in the ignition. Some how it needs to see the resistor on the key before it will start. The unusual thing about this is that the key never had to be in the ignition to operate it before.
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 31, 2002 at 11:23 AM
Check the vats bypass. It sounds like the remote start is not sending a ground to the relay that bypasses the vats system. It could be as simple as reprogramming the remote starter.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: October 31, 2002 at 2:29 PM
ok, so how do we program it, and which relay(what wire colors) is the vats bypass relay? there are 2 relays under the dash for the system.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 31, 2002 at 2:43 PM
player69, I know that the CS units do not have a automatic tach learning , I was implying that he should try to re-program the tach signal as his error on the diagnostics say that it is his tach lockout has been engaged because of a faulty tach signal or the tach has not been programmed properly. What color is your tach wire that you have the CS2400 attached to ? ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: PLAYER69
Date Posted: October 31, 2002 at 4:55 PM
look for the relay that is attached to the wires that are in the small orange sleave.
Posted By: hondaman23
Date Posted: November 01, 2002 at 4:46 AM
ok, we don't have a wiring diagram(colors) or anything loke that. no program stuff either. this was a used car bought with the unit already installed. it worked fine utnil a while ago. so as for what wire the tach is connected to, first tell me what color wire the tach signal wire is on the command start. as for a small sleeve, i will have to look more closely for a small sleeve, but when i was searching for the output(orange) i didn't see a sleeve. there is a relay with some 12ga wires going to it, an one with some larger ga like maybe 8ga wires with the 12ga wires as well. maybe tell me what the relay number is, if the two under there are different.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 01, 2002 at 5:09 PM
The tach wire is WHITE on the CS2400 main harness. For the VATS bypass you need to follow the small guage PURPLE wire to the relay and make sure that all the terminals have a wire connected to it.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
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