Remote Start Won’t Turn Over
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 28, 2024 at 9:04 PM
Topic: Remote Start Won’t Turn Over
Posted By: steiny83
Subject: Remote Start Won’t Turn Over
Date Posted: March 21, 2005 at 4:28 PM
This is my first alarm/remote start install. It is on a 1998 S-10 truck and the alarm is a Scytek Galaxy 5000RS 2-Way. I have connected all wires according to the diagram on this site (cross-referenced with a few other wiring charts). When I try to remote start the truck, it chirps 3 times and tells my remote that the truck didn't start. The truck doesn't turn over or anything?? If I hot wire the truck, it starts, but keeps turning over if I leave the starter wire (Yellow, 18 Guage wire) hot. Please, someone help me! I do not know what I am doing, but would love to understand how this works!
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Posted By: dare_ds69
Date Posted: March 21, 2005 at 5:43 PM
you have to by pass the key (inmobilazer)
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how own your mind, control your life.
MECP certified. always use a DMM
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 21, 2005 at 6:19 PM
What is the immobalizer and how do I bypass the key?
Posted By: rsudbay
Date Posted: March 21, 2005 at 9:59 PM
but he shouldnt be able to hotwire the car if it is the immobalizer.
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hey, everyone has got to start somewhere. but ill learn
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 21, 2005 at 10:04 PM
Did you have the motor side and key side of the starter disable relay switched around ? Check to make sure that the wire from pin 87a is going to the motor side not switch side.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 6:22 PM
Good job Velocity...you must've pointed out my problem...I do not have a starter disable relay connected. Do I need this connected for the remote start to work?
Posted By: dare_ds69
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 6:28 PM
make sure you conected the neutral safety switch in the alarm read the instructions some r/s don't start if the hood is open or a toggle switch is of just read very carful the instructions and you need the 555l to by pass the key  ------------- how own your mind, control your life.
MECP certified. always use a DMM
Posted By: radkonn
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 6:31 PM
I starter disable relay is optional. If you didn't install it, then this isn't your problem. I am not familiar with this particular alarm, but I would check for a nuetral safety wire that needs to see ground in order to start. My alarm will do the same thing if it sees the hood is open or it doesn't see a ground going to the nuetral safety wire. I'm not sure if the 1998 s10 needs an immobilizer, but the other guys seem to be pretty sure. If it started by hot wiring it; I don't think you need one. Check for these safeties first.
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 6:47 PM
I'll have to check that out...I see one here that is a + Brake Input. It says it is a safety shutdown wire (and as I read it, I realize it says it MUST be connected)...probably my problem. I'll check it out shortly. Thanks!
Posted By: radkonn
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 6:56 PM
It looks like Dar_ds69 beat me to the post. I would follow what he said. Usually the brake would be the problem if it sees 12volts when trying to start. On most alarms, the alarm shuts down when it sees 12 volts coming from the brake pedal switch. When you hotwired the car, you probably had the key in the on position, I'm assuming. That is probably why you car would start. Put the key in the ignition and see if it remote starts. Also, my remote start will not work if you didn't program it to learn the tach. I would still check and make sure you have all the safety switches hooked up correctly first, but if your car does need an immobilizer, you might as well order one.
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 7:37 PM
I connected the +Brake Input to a ground (so the alarm knew the brake was not being pushed) and it still did the same thing... The alarm chirped 3 times and the parking lights flashed... My truck is a manual transmission...does this change anything??
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 8:55 PM
Now you mention its a manual????
I hope the unit you are using is for manual transmission vehicles.
If its not, do us all a favor and don't install it.
How did you bypass the clutch?
You need to bypass the Passlock II. Do a search on "555L" from Directed Electronis.
Posted By: radkonn
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 8:56 PM
The brake input +12 volts will shut down your remote start if it sees 12 volts, and it should start when no voltage is present. I'm not familiar with this alarm, but there has to be a neutral safety cut off and/or a hood pin cutoff. You need to hook up the neutral safety, since your car is a manual. Read your install instructions and find these wires.
Posted By: radkonn
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 10:12 PM
You should listen to Jworm and make sure ALL the safeties are hooked up. I looked at the install manual (not sure if it is your exact model) and it said that the error code of three light flashes is one of the two problems listed below.
1. Remote start not seeing RPM. (It says that if you have a manual transmission that the tach has to be hooked up)
2. Hood pin switch showing ground or basically it is open.
I have a remote start installed on a manual transmission as well, but I hooked up every possible safety I could. You never know when an accident will happen; that is why it is called an accident.
Posted By: radkonn
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 10:13 PM
You should listen to Jworm and make sure ALL the safeties are hooked up. I looked at the install manual (not sure if it is your exact model) and it said that the error code of three light flashes is one of the two problems listed below.
1. Remote start not seeing RPM. (It says that if you have a manual transmission that the tach has to be hooked up)
2. Hood pin switch showing ground or basically it is open. WHITE/ black wire in 20 pin harness
I have a remote start installed on a manual transmission as well, but I hooked up every possible safety I could. You never know when an accident will happen; that is why it is called an accident.
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 10:53 PM
Yes, the truck is a manual and the system is for a manual as well...Could someone please tell me the difference between a unit for an auto and a manual? The instructions don't mention anything about specifics for a manual transmission setup. Yes, the alarm is for manual transmissions, though. I bypassed the clutch switch by hardwiring the switch wires to each other (probably not the best idea if I ever let someone else drive my truck and they start it in gear without the clutch down...maybe I'll change that around) I certainly want to connect a safety to prevent it from remote starting in gear, but I have not found a neutral sensor on the truck yet. I have a wire that says "Start (-)". When I look at the install guide, it mentions that this wire is "not used." Is this to bypass my clutch switch? My assumption is that it sends a - signal when it starts the truck. Would the truck hotwire if I needed to bypass a lock? I know my key has nothing built into it, and I can hotwire the truck and make it turn over. Plus, most of the manuals I look at do not mention a passlock system?? I don't see much reason in installing the hood pin, I don't have a problem being able to start the vehicle with the hood open. If anyone sees a good reason for this I'm overlooking, please let me know...Just like you said about accidents, Radkonn
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 11:28 PM
I connected the tach input...Thank you so much for that tip, Radkonn! I then ran through the RPM Learn procedure. However, the truck now flashes 6 times when I try to start it...any idea what that code means?? Where did you find this diagnostic info?
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: March 22, 2005 at 11:55 PM
the code are usually list in the install manual, toward the back where the programming menus are listed.
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"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: steiny83
Date Posted: March 23, 2005 at 12:12 AM
Okay...I just checked out scytek's website (www.scytek.net). I was sent the wrong freaking manual!!!!! This entire time I have been reading the manual for automatic transmission alarm! The two are very similar, but there are some key differences!!! I have fixed the 6-flash error (parking brake wire fault). However, I am now getting a 7-flash error...The (correct) manual says "Start Cancelled". Anyone know what's going on???? Would the Passlock II (If I have that?!?) cause the start sequence to cancel, or would it turn over and not stay running??? I appreciate your help sooooo much! You guys have helped me maintain my sanity!!
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