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led deterrent and +ves that go to earth?

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=56038
Printed Date: May 19, 2024 at 10:52 PM


Topic: led deterrent and +ves that go to earth?

Posted By: scottbrisdub
Subject: led deterrent and +ves that go to earth?
Date Posted: May 19, 2005 at 10:41 AM

I was reading something last night on the forum here which has been confusing me for the last 24 hours or so...

I am wanting to install a flashing deterrent LED on a Kawasaki bike... the way i was planning on doing this was running a flashing blue LED in series with another normal CD each drawing about 6 volts giving me my 12volt to wire up to the battery at around about 20mA so the gel cell battery should be happy with the low current draw. I was planning on running a small relay through the 12+ accessory so that the LED is on a normally closed circuit when the bike ignition is switched off and then when the bike starts, accessory line goes 12+, energises the relay and stops the LED flashing. The reason i thought i'd do it that was is that the bike only needs to energise the coil when the bike is running and doesn't need too when the bike is switched off... i figured the current drain of the LED would be a lot less than energising the relay, and less is better when the bike isn't running.

OK... the bit i got stuck on last night was people talking about the accessory wire on a car going -ve when the car is swtiched off and just being able to run a flashing LED directly off that. Why would any +ve wire need to go to ground when the car ignition is off... wouldn't it just be an open circuit? why would it need to go to earth? I'm stuck on that one.

Cheers, Scott




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Posted By: wirewise
Date Posted: May 19, 2005 at 11:07 AM
The accessory lead is not being switched to ground. Ground is present on the positive (accessory) lead as a result of an open circuit passing ground through the componant(s) in the circuit that are grounded. Applying 12V+ to the positive lead closes the circuit. You can see how this works easily on the bench using a 12 volt light bulb, battery, and your meter and is the reason you should never use a test light to test vehicle wiring in vehicles with computer control modules.

~wirewise~




Posted By: scottbrisdub
Date Posted: May 19, 2005 at 11:26 AM

ok that makes good sense, but that makes me think of another forum post that i saw yesterday about a guy who wired up a flashing led and then his amp power light started flashing too... i think i can see what he did.

If i wire the LED up to constant postive and then wire it up to the accessory LED after the ignition (so that it is going to be earthed through the other components on the circuit) it is then going to be flashing my constant +ve through those other components isn't it?! That means they will be getting a +ve through the LED each time it flashes... unless I place the LED after those accessories right?!?!

cheers






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