How do thieves break thru alarm systems?
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Topic: How do thieves break thru alarm systems?
Posted By: keller8854
Subject: How do thieves break thru alarm systems?
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 6:23 PM
I am curious as to what ways thiefs can break past, disable, or other wise get passed alarm systems? Is there any total protection that one person could have to stop anyone? What is the best alarm, not brand but style (i.e. two-way, Gps or other) that someone could have to protect themselves?
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 6:32 PM
Thieves will basically open your hood and cut the siren or battery wire. Pro's can do it in less then 3 seconds. Best line of defense is backup battery or backup battery siren. Second is a stealth install. No alarm in the world is going to stop a tow truck.
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Posted By: mo12v
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 6:34 PM
Would you believe there are STILL Alarms sold out there that if you were to break one of the Flashing Parking Lights and short the Bulb, it would disable the Alarm??
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Posted By: keller8854
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 6:37 PM
"Would you believe there are STILL Alarms sold out there that if you were to break one of the Flashing Parking Lights and short the Bulb, it would disable the Alarm??" I have heard of that, all of the alarms tat I have installed have always had fuses at the parking light and dome light output.
Posted By: riceman
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 7:44 PM
There is no such thing as total security thats an urban myth. The key to the game is surviveablity meaning the more you can slow a thief down the better the odds are that you still have a car in the mourning. I.E stealth install, wireless immoblizer, gps, back up battery wired in parrall,
back-up siren, two way paging etc. This should protect your
car against the common high school thieves on summer break.
Well for protection against the pros get full coverage insurance. LOL Remember that no matter how good your alarm is you can never stop a crack head from breaking into your car,but you can sure stop him with a 44. good luck
Posted By: shesaidshewas18
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 7:56 PM
Lol gotta agree with the insurance thing as stated above. Im not gonna lie though, back in my high school days my friends and I used to go out on a NIGHTLY literally NIGHTLY basis and jack cars. But 2 things we always looked out for: A blinking light, and also stickers. You know the ones that say "Protected by blah blah blah" or "KARR Security" that type of stuff. If any of you live in Cali... and live in Daly City... You know damn well you guys better park your cars in your garage's cause you cant see across the street at night ;)
Posted By: keller8854
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 8:43 PM
haha, full coverage yeah....I'm trying to become a first class installer one day, and all the little tips and info helps along the way, It's better for me to hear it first, then wonder later why I didn't think of doing something that way, ya know? I guess I am just one of those permanant tweakers who is always trying to make something better, or stronger. Anyways thanks for the tips. :)
Posted By: Asmodeus
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 1:26 AM
best way to keep the car from being stolen.....Air bag ur car so low it lays on the ground....Then buy a chihuahua that barks at everything and make it live in your car...When someone lets it out..You will know it... -------------  Making the World A Louder Place
Posted By: jasonroberson78
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 12:35 PM
the old avital...were supposed to be the best..even a function took place best of the best thieves...cant remember the outcome.. but back-up batteries and correct innstall
Posted By: saintly_tim
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 6:22 AM
Being a part of the X-Con clan... I can say that a Big Rotti would suffice... yet you will need to think about where you put your alarms brain and whether the siren is accesible or not... most time a thief can get the door open and then pull the hood in a matter of seconds only to cut the wires to the siren and then be off with your car... i would suggest getting a Clifford Concept series alarm... they hace anti-carjack... perimeter sensor with dual stage and one of the loudest sirens i ever heard ------------- Tim
Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:53 AM
keller8854 wrote:
I am curious as to what ways thiefs can break past, disable, or other wise get passed alarm systems? Is there any total protection that one person could have to stop anyone? What is the best alarm, not brand but style (i.e. two-way, Gps or other) that someone could have to protect themselves?
Car theif (usually) always pop the hood and cut the ground and power wire. The alarm systems is disable. A back up siren is probably the best protection you will get for your money in terms of getting attention to your car. What's the best alarm system to protect your car? NONE! If you ask what is the best way to protect your car? It's called common sense. Clean out your car often. If you got nothing in the car. There is nothing to steal. If you got $5000 system in your car, if that is the case then you got to talk to the people in Congress about a few lot of rules changes. ------------- Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. 
Posted By: riceman
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 3:28 PM
I agree with you guys on the cutting of the battery cables.
It happened to my nieghbor twice. And he had a hood pin. On
one of the occassion I heard the alarm that night but I did n't care because the sound was not one of my family cars.An
alarm is not gonna work if you dont know its going off. The best protection is common sense. Install a motion detecting light mounted high up so no one can just go unscrew the bulb. have two way paging with stealth install and battery back up. And for god sake dont go and advertise your system
bumping all the way to your house turn it down a mile or so before u get home. My nieghbor does that now. I have all that and a security camera with 3 chiquwaa's that barks like crazy. And a smith& wesson. I wonder why they chose his car instead mines?
Posted By: youngblood
Date Posted: August 25, 2005 at 12:55 PM
Hoods, while still shut and secured, can still be pried up enough to expose your battery cables. Most of the time, your battery is snugged right up against the fenderwell of your car with your (usually) negative cable positioned in just the right spot to allow a pair of good cutters in to snip it while the hood is pryed up with another tool. There goes your security system. This happened to me. Believe me when I tell you that they don't care if they dent your hood getting it up far enough... they're not very concerned. my last alarm was also in the process of being disabled but my dog woke us up... Good dog... goooooood dog! I ran out in my underwear and peppered that S.O.B. with paintballs as he dove into his buddies getaway car. Unfortunately for him, HIS car was parked on the other side of my house with his keys in the ignition. Needless to say, a bad guy lost his car. On an interesting note... in the thiefs car were three bb gun rifles, a couple of break in tools that looked like ignition bypasses and three slutty girly magazines. I suppose they like to do some light reading just before they shoot your window out from a block away and walk up and steal your car. I would have almost been impressed if I had found a hardback copy of Les Miserables instead of the latest edition of Swank.
Posted By: f00dstamps
Date Posted: August 26, 2005 at 1:25 PM
did the thief get his car back? did you call the cops and report that it was the thief's car?
Posted By: Satkunas
Date Posted: August 26, 2005 at 3:42 PM
Hood latches and solonoids are useless. Any decent thief doesn't have to pop the hood to disable the battery. On most vehicles the main power first runs down to the starter and then back up to a fused distribution block. All any would-be theif have to do is scoot underneath your engine with a pair of wire cutters and cut the main battery wire right at the starter right out in the open. There's no need to pry the hood open.
Some thieves will use a cordless drill with a long small drill bit and pierce a hole through your front fender and into the battery. The water will leak out and in about half an hour any battery (and even any backup batteries) will be dead by the time they return.
Shock sensors are usually too sensitive and false all the time or are not sensitive enough. Breaking a window with a spark-plug and a small rug if effortless and most shock sensors will false from a thunder-strike or passing vehicles long before triggering from this amount of impact.
Heck anyone who's completed EET will know how to defeat a boomerang. (if you don't know, don't ask).
No car is unstealable. The best anti-theft 'deterrence' is intelligence. As mentioned above don't advertise your sound-system, don't leave CD's and spare change laying about, and park in well lit high traffic areas.
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