electrified car alarm
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Printed Date: April 27, 2024 at 10:43 PM
Topic: electrified car alarm
Posted By: projectprotege
Subject: electrified car alarm
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 1:35 PM
just wondering if anyone sells one, where it sends an electric current to the door handles and trunk lid if messed with...
if no one sells this, how hard would this be to build do you guys think?
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 2:23 PM
dont do it....even if someone figures it out. You'll go to jail when the theives lawer is done with you
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Posted By: projectprotege
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 2:23 PM
what if i run an extra battery in the trunk with a Converter 12 to 14-Volt DC to 230-Volt AC and run the wires to the metal strips under the door handles? the only thing is i have to figure out how im gonna complete the circuit...
and try to figure out how im going to wire it so it is on only when the alarm is armed....
any suggestions?
Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 3:36 PM
Yeah. You need a tazer and wire. You hook up the wire to the electrodes off the tazer. And you take the wires and strip them. After you strip the wire down to the bare copper you have to do this. Wrap the bare wire around the wrist of the same hand that is holding the tazer. With that same hand you have to slowly press down on the tazer button while pulling up on your door handle.
Be sure to press the button slowly though.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 5:14 PM
projectprotege wrote:
just wondering if anyone sells one
The reason you can't find these is because they are f**king illegal. It is called mantrap.
How about you tell me where you live, I will walk up touch the car and get shocked, I will have you immediately arrested(that is a felony), and then I will proceed to have my lawyer rape your ass in court.
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 6:00 PM
auex][ wrote:
UOTE=projectprotege] just wondering if anyone sells one
The reason you can't find these is because they are f**king illegal. It is called mantrap. How about you tell me where you live, I will walk up touch the car and get shocked, I will have you immediately arrested(that is a felony), and then I will proceed to have my lawyer rape your ass in court. Mantrap is a FELONY PERIOD [/QUOTE] I LOVE IT.......well put auex -------------
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 6:33 PM
You should know I would bitch about this stupid post. I do it to all the stupid electrified car posts.
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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 6:43 PM
Don't let these guys pop your ballon protoge. Just do what I told you.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 6:49 PM
FELONY
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Posted By: projectprotege
Date Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:14 AM
i contacted a lawyer, its not illegal as long as i have warning stickers posted in plain sight. kind of like the electric fence idea.
Posted By: Firstnbass
Date Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:36 PM
Your crazy but if you want to do it be sure to insulate the handles from the rest of the door and the car alike, otherwise you'll be sending a ton of electricity through the cars grounding systems,
I like this one its the first time I got to laugh at the replys, I have heard about these for years now , but I have never seen a succesful installation for it,
If I were you i would put a shot gun on the front seat with a wire connected to the triger and the barrel aimed at the door, and on the window I'd place a sticker that reads " Vehicle Armed With Self Fireing 12 ga. shot gun, intruders will be shot at FIRST attemp of entry! have a good day."
Please dont try the gun thing,if you do, dont hold me responsible for your actions, or the little old lady that tried to get into what she thought to be HER 1987 cavilier. thanks.
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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 08, 2005 at 1:08 PM
Thats almost as good as the ejector seat in a car with out a sunroof. lol
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 08, 2005 at 5:22 PM
projectprotege wrote:
i contacted a lawyer, its not illegal as long as i have warning stickers posted in plain sight. kind of like the electric fence idea.
Wrong. Electrified fences are to keep animals in and not intruder's out. Your lawyer is wrong. Also warning stickers don't mean shhh because you can't just make it legal because you say it is there. I guarantee you it is illegal. So where do you live so I can collect my money? ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: projectprotege
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 9:45 AM
i just contacted some city inspecter guy who deals with this part of the law. and there is no statue(sp?) in the state of wisconsin saying that this is illegal but i am obviously liable if a little kid touches it and gets zapped off his feet, but only if im on public property, if im on my own private property its the same deal as an electrified fence to keep criminals out of a salvage yard or any thing else.
but i thought about it and to be honest i dont think its worth the liability of being sued and shhh.
it would be funny as hell to see the thief get cooked while trying to steal my system though....but its not worth it....so i guess this one is thrown in the can...
Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 10:23 AM
Curiosity kills the cats. LOL.
Put it in Tazor or Electric handle what ever you want to call it. I look at it this way; it’s one less thief for the rest of us to worry about in world. Don’t worry about the defending yourself. You can alway use Insanity. Insanity is the oldest trick in the book. They don’t teach you this in Law School. You heard voices telling you to do this to protect yourself and your family…..and you leave the rest for your lawyer to tell the jury the rest of the story. When it's all said and done you get yourself a book deal and everyone is a happy camper, that's except for the guy who has a fascination for your car. 
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 10:53 AM
projectprotege wrote:
i just contacted some city inspecter guy who deals with this part of the law. and there is no statue(sp?) in the state of wisconsin
What kind of inspector does this job??? If you really want to know then contact the states district attorney. ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 11:06 AM
auex] wrote:
projectprotege wrote:
i just contacted some city inspecter guy who deals with this part of the law. and there is no statue(sp?) in the state of wisconsin
What kind of inspector does this job??? If you really want to know then contact the states district attorney.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 3:23 PM
Well they would be the people to call since it would be them who would eventually be filing the criminal charges.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 09, 2005 at 11:25 PM
Found the statute that would apply to this, and no you it doesn't matter where the car is. WI state statute 939.49. It states it is illegal to use any force that can cause death to protect personal or retail property.
Ok, it still applies but I am having trouble coming up with the exact legal term for man trap. Damn lawyer speak.
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Posted By: Evolution-UK
Date Posted: September 17, 2005 at 10:49 AM
I remember seeing a TV programme about car-jacking in South Africa. A guy there had come up with a set of flame throwers which mounted underneath a car. If someone approached you could just press a button and toast them.
Now imagine wiring that up to a proximity sensor :)
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 12:36 PM
Evolution-UK wrote:
I remember seeing a TV programme about car-jacking in South Africa.
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Posted By: Evolution-UK
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 6:05 PM
Your point being ?
Posted By: Evolution-UK
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 6:28 PM
Ah. Thanks.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 7:44 PM
bobk] wrote:
If you are refering to the last post by Auex then I think he means that something that stupid and unlawful could only be in a placs that has no reduards for human life.
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Posted By: silversi17
Date Posted: September 19, 2005 at 8:11 PM
Legal or not, you would still get sued. Just because you put a warning sticker on it doesn't make it legal. what if that person couldn't read? What if they were foreign, and couldn't read english? What if it's just a little kid playing around? Take how much your car is worth, then figure what you would get sued for, then do the math and find out if it's worth it.
Posted By: youngblood
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 3:39 AM
Personally, I see nothing wrong with focusing on deterrents such as electrical discharges using capacitors. I've considered wiring up this bug zapper using self-adhesive electrical tape installed under my Jeep's door handles and in other inconspicous spaces. The zap won't kill you but I guarantee it to get your attention while realizing a second attempt wouldn't be worth the zap. I'm trying to imagine the worm that calls the police to complain that he got zapped while trying to get into someone else's car without consent. BUT, I do remember being infuriated enough to call the police after this guy ripped me off 20$ when he didn't come out with my bag'o weed. I vividly recall the police telecommunicator asking me if I was serious with a laugh... but I can't thnk of anything more dispicable than withholding the hippy lettuce from a nice guy such as myself. I say zap with restraint. I almost wanted to say "ease up on the guy that started this post" but I enjoy dishing out a bowl of humility when something strikes me as dim-witted and obviously foolish. I just don't find his inquisition as foolish, he was just asking.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 9:55 AM
The only problem is what happens if a child or an elderly person "accidentally" gets shocked. Now lets say that person has a heart condition or a pacemaker. Now lets say they go into cardiac arrest. Then lets say the car's owner gets arrested for manslaughter or like charge.
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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 2:02 PM
I hear they get HBO in prison.
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Posted By: youngblood
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 2:12 PM
"what happens if a child or an elderly person "accidentally" gets shocked. Now lets say that person has a heart condition or a pacemaker. Now lets say they go into cardiac arrest." The more I think about it, the more I find the probability of someone inducing cardiac arrest from the shock of a bug zapper (by the way, the unit I'm talking about is sold at Harbor Freight for four dollars & is shaped like a tennis racket and operates from 3 Volts). I've shocked myself numerous times and I'm certain that the shock produced by this unit is NOT enough to cause irreparable damage to any part of the body accept maybe your eyeball. I am, however, not discounting the possiblity of some dumb ass opening up my car door with their eyeball. And... just to make sure, I called my wife (cardiac RN) & my father-in-law (cardio-thoracic surgeon) and proposed the hypothetical situation of a death induced by this zapper and they both didn't even have to think about it. Both of them responded with a concise and resounding "No". And for some time now, pacemakers have advanced and evolved into units which are impervious to such "accidental" occurences with electricity. They would be more succeptable to incurring health risks from stray RF produced from any cellular phone. I've personally witnessed a Porsche 928S4 go into immediate brake failure the instant a cellular phone call was made from within the vehicle emminating from every phone model we sold at the time (problem solved with a veritable plethora of aluminum foil layered over the brake computer module in the passenger floorboard). I'm getting much more long-winded than planned but my point being that low voltage shocking deterrants pose no more risk than walking across the street. Go spend four bucks at harbor freight and get the zapper and zap yourself, I promise it won't hurt, it will smart and make you not want to do it again, but it causes ZERO damage. I've shocked myself accidentally numerous times. But let me be perfectly clear, I'm not even considering using anything more than a 3 Volt bug zapper and NOT a Tazer of any sort. I've also considered fabricating a pepper spray dispenser to be activated upon component removal. Keep in mind that I drive a Jeep Wrangler with the top off eight months out of the year and it I've had my share of people rubbernecking into the interior space. I don't like it. If they get shocked opening my door handle... good, they had no reason to pull it. I still can't fathom someone accidentally pulling my door handle, but I might be tempted to double the voltage for people that imbecilic as to "accidentally" pull on ANY portion of my vehicle for ANY reason. They deserve to experience a reminder for their stupidity. Truth be told: the implementation of this idea most likely won't make it into my Jeep, I get better results just bringing my dogs with me.
Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 4:53 PM
uuUUuu IN YO FACE!
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 11:56 PM
God dang....this whole topic is a WASTE of "cyberspace" The moderators should limit, and or STOP this kind of crap from even making it to ANY forum. It serves NO purpose.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 12:14 AM
youngblood wrote:
But let me be perfectly clear, I'm not even considering using anything more than a 3 Volt bug zapper and NOT a Tazer of any sort.
Yeah, the problem is that it isn't you that is doing this. The other moron's who will tear down a tazer, up the battery voltage from 9V to 12V, and then placing the electrodes where someone bumps into the car gets it. So pretty much, again, majority over minority. The majority don't believe it is right so it is ILLEGAL any f**king way you look at it. ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: gcorrea
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 1:25 AM
lol. at least we all got a good laugh.
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Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 12:54 PM
bobk and KartuneMan, sorry guys I am not with you on this one. It's too amusing and a great read at lunch time. Beside, I am all for free expression.
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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 1:43 PM
thepencil wrote:
bobk and KartuneMan, sorry guys I am not with you on this one. It's too amusing and a great read at lunch time. Beside, I am all for free expression.
I thought this was a discussion place. When did we become the cyber police of speech and information? Here is my quote "Out of stupid ideas, comes the greatest inventions." Feel free to use it as you wish... But you like have to put my name behind it every time you use it and stuff. thank you! ------------- Tell the Snap-On guy I'm not here!
Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 1:46 PM
auex] wrote:
youngblood wrote:
But let me be perfectly clear, I'm not even considering using anything more than a 3 Volt bug zapper and NOT a Tazer of any sort.
Yeah, the problem is that it isn't you that is doing this. The other moron's who will tear down a tazer, up the battery voltage from 9V to 12V, and then placing the electrodes where someone bumps into the car gets it. So pretty much, again, majority over minority. The majority don't believe it is right so it is ILLEGAL any f**king way you look at it.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 4:55 PM
I knew that already, j/k.
Also updated the sig.
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Posted By: youngblood
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 5:20 PM
my burglar alarm To 5150: I couldn't agree with you more... although "necessity is the mother of invention", stupid ideas pave the way.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 10:36 PM
This crap goes along with trying to figure out a way to "bypass my clutch for remote start" good luck to all you wise guys who actually try and do something like this....and make sure you let auex know where you live, so he can ruin your lives for being foolish. stupidity needs to hurt.............. -------------
Posted By: youngblood
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 11:45 PM
Forgot to mention: Oddly and ironically enough, I did run the contacts from my zapper to my home's side gate entrance lock. Unfortunately, the first person to be foiled by my deterrent was me. I laughed and removed it promptly.
Posted By: HICKMANAE3
Date Posted: September 22, 2005 at 12:06 AM
YEs YEs YES, this is the most brillant alarm system i have ever heard of. Making me think about taking out my scytek 5000 alarm and adding one of these elctricfield systems up in. At least now i will never have to worry about someone ever ever ever ever touching my car again. But as i think about it. If that was me getting electicfied i would just come back with a rubber glove just to show that your car alarm is a piece of shhh like all the others ones and that theres no 100% gurantee alarm. Better yet i might just come back with the tow truck and strip the car down if i really wanted it.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 22, 2005 at 9:47 AM
Nah hickmanae3. If you were a thief and came across this car that shocked you, you wouldn't come back. You WOULD break the window, steal the car, steal the parts, then you would drive it off a cliff just to spite the a***ole who installed a tazer in the door handle.
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