how do you stealth install?

When you guys do a totally steath install,do you make all the wires black and put them in wireloom?Also where is the best place to hide the brain?I plan on installing the clifford intelliguard 750,and i want the install to be the best it can be.I will be in no rush..

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"ole blake"

Black tape and black loom is all you need for the job.

As to whrere the best spot to hide the brain? I would say if someone needs to remove a lot of screw to take the panels off just to get to the brain or stretch their arms just to reach it, that's a good place to put it.

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Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it.

I specialize in stealth installs. Have a look at my How-to site. https://members.cox.net/shaundrake/alarm/carAlarmMods.html

Cause For Alarm

you could relocate the alarm brain to the trunk or under a seat or whatever your imagination tells you. just make sure that it is easily accessable for any repair or modifications you may have to perform.

I took my instrument cluster out and mounted it way up high in the small cavity back there and ran my wiring harnesses down from it wrapped in tape.

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Steve G

Thanks SuspendedHatch.I read your page and it was great info.I got alot of good ideas especially about mounting the siren or sirens in a place better then right under the hood.My only concern is this.I have a 98 dodge intrepid,and the battery is right down in front oh the right tire.Easy to drill the battery.I guess i'll end up putting so plating there so that the batt access is harder for a thief.Thanks for the info about the t-harness also.Am i right in saying that the t-harness is only for use when it comes to wiring in the starter kill,or does it serve more then that??

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"ole blake"

SuspendedHatch writes repeatedly in his instructions, and for good reason, BATTERY BACKUP.. AT THE LEAST get a battery backup siren. Really the units only need + and -. You don't even have to connect them to the alarm... Just constant and ground somewhere in the car. (Truck owners, shove them between the spare tire and body, lock the spare.. thief boned)...

He does have awesome ideas of concealment the only trouble is if the theif is going to go through that much trouble, he's going to have a work around. Hiding the brain so the theif can't yank the wires is great, but you've always got to keep in mind the shortcoming of the automobile itself. Majority of the alarms cut the starter wire only. Hiding where you disabled the starter wire is great, but keep in mind the theif only has to get closer to the starter. Fairly easy to simply climb underneath and short the main power wire @ the starter to the selnoid wire... Vrrrmmm.. Car started (if they crank the column already).. All your hidden work didn't help. Same if they cut the battery cables. No power. NO PAGE..
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying to ignore SuspendedHatch methods. I'm only trying to enforce battery backup. A stealth install is nice for when you have to go back into the dash. Also it helps keep lazy/vendictive mech from "accidently" yanking on alarms wires while doing maintanence (seen it many times). Someone pops panels and see's spaghati they're not going to want to take the time to work around it, their also likely to find it a good excuse for their parts failure (aka POOR INSTALL )..

KEEP IN MIND. Your biggest weakness is the power source. They cut the battery nothing else works.

great tutorial suspendedhatch.

All my installes are done behind instument clusters or behind the ac evaporator core spend the time to do the installs customers will always come back

Thanks for all your help peeps.I have decided to go with a clifford alarm.Another great DEI product,what sold me was all the extra features.The wireless immobilizer,battery backup siren,and the blackjack feature sold me.

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"ole blake"

just remember the alarm is only as good as the install. you may have the best clifford or viper or what have you, but if you let bob from hack-n-shack car audio install it you will have spent all that money for nothing.

I have learned that there aint such way to do a sleath install. Because If you was a real smart car theft the first thing a person should go for is the fire wall and cut the power wire going to the brain. Therefore giving you all the time in teh world to disarm and remove the starter kill and so much more. So if a person doesnt have a back up siren that then there pretty much SOL.

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No security system can beat the tow truck :(

First of all, why are you running the power through the firewall? You can find any number of sources for a constant 12v from inside the cabin.

I never realized that this thread developed so much. Anyway thanks for the praise.

What was said about hot wiring the car downstream of your starter kill is serious. Starter kills on the steering column are pretty ineffective. You can put the relay right next to the starter itself for either your alarm or a kill switch, but if they see it it's not going to do you much good. I usually hook up the starter kill to the main relay because it's very concealed, it's downstream of the usual hot wiring point, and it's not what they're expecting. Then I back this up with other things like a fuel pump kill switch.

You can put the alarm in the trunk or wherever you want, but this is going to overextend the starter kill wiring. A lot of the alarms are incorporating the starter kill relay into the brain. So you'll need to run the alarm's key side start input to either ign 12v or the key side of the starter wire, and run the alarm's starter motor output to the 85 on a relay, the 86 to chassis ground. Then cut the starter wire and connect one end to the 30 and the other end to the 87. This also gives you the opportunity to convert it to a normally open start kill by using the 87a if your alarm doesn't otherwise allow it.

I think it's important that the battery backup has it's own trigger. This is why I recommend the battery backup module over the battery backup siren. It's possible to get past the hood pin and disconnect the battery without triggering the alarm. This allows the thief to work in silence. If you add a battery backup siren, the alarm was never triggered so it's useless. Adding a battery backup module however is like adding another sensor that detects when the battery has been disconnected, triggers the alarm, and provides backup power. Some alarms have voltage sense built in so this may not apply.

I update or revise the site in some small way every month or so.

Where would you hide the battery backup module?

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"ole blake"

The module itself is very small and is no problem to conceal. The battery I stuff into a block of styrofoam packing material and cram it in the rear quarter panel interior, which is where I usually mount the brain and the interior siren.

I have a dodge intrepid,and mounting the brain and stuff in the quarter panel would be to far away for the starter kill wouldn't it?

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"ole blake"

You can safely extend the starter kill if you add another relay. I just covered this a few posts up.

1st of all, im not tryin to be guy on the top of the food chain but heres my idea...
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stealth install = approximation to a stock harnesses.

we try to make the smallest # of routes there is to an install. lets say, for an example, a viper 791xv, a very well known unit or others related to the family(python, valet,clifford....).

HARNESS(tape, loom, or whatever)
1.main harness, lock, shutdown,disarm, BUB. might be forgettin something.
2.LED, valet, antenna, shock sensors and other sensors.
3.Remtoe start ribbon

but for those unit, thats the best i could insatl in that manner, a very neat way in every routes. its a consistent harness and help to troubleshoot, if needed, in the future.

IMPORTANT!!!!
make all your routes b4 attempt to tap to wires. that means that you have to test all ur wires w/ a DMM b4 hand. if you just tap 1 by1 and then tape to its routes, its looks like crapppp. avoid using t-taps, cause it looks like sh*t under the dash.

PEACE!!!!

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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).

suspendedHatch wrote:

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I never realized that this thread developed so much. Anyway thanks for the praise. 

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I am more of a reader and learner than a poster, but some proffesionals dont agree with some items on your website.

https://forum.sounddomain.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=004044

Ok this is for you people that love taping up your alarm wires. OOOH REAL STEALTHY...



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Tell the Snap-On guy I'm not here!

I'll make sure i get plenty of wireloom and a roll of electrical tape

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"ole blake"

Some of those things on that site were good, and some were bad. I will just leave it at that.

What things didn't you like Omar?

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"ole blake"