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which way to face the diode?

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=6274
Printed Date: June 13, 2024 at 2:14 AM


Topic: which way to face the diode?

Posted By: cpgoose
Subject: which way to face the diode?
Date Posted: December 05, 2002 at 12:39 PM

hi.....long story short.....i installed a remote starter into an existing alarm. Maybe 2 out of 5 starts, the alarm goes off, and the led indicates an door or the trunk was opened (even though they weren't).  Now, I think the door wire was piggybacked onto the trunk's wire on the alarm. I think this because:  the wire for the door that goes into the alarm is missing (it's not even in the plastic harness that plugs into the alarm).  Plus, when you open a door or open the trunk to set off the alarm, the led blinks the same number of times (even though it's not supposed to).  I think they tied the door wire into the trunk wire.  ANYway....the guy from the alarm company said to install a diode on that trunk wire going into the alarm, and maybe that will prevent some of the feedback that I might be getting, but he wasn't sure which way to face it.

 Which way should the stripe go.....towards the alarm, or away?  I'm thinking away?

Thank you.




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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: December 05, 2002 at 12:52 PM
You didn't mention if  you have positive triggers or negative triggers, but look at this page to determine which side the cathodes should be facing.




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 05, 2002 at 12:53 PM
they're negative triggers.....so I'm thinking away from the alarm?




Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: December 05, 2002 at 12:56 PM
That would be correct.




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 05, 2002 at 12:57 PM

(+) trigger = Cathode band towards the alarm

(-) trigger = Cathode band towards the trigger



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 8:07 AM

Thanks guys!  When you install the diode inline with the wire:

  • 1.  Do you have to cut the wire in half?.....or just strip two separate parts of the wire and install it that way.  Please see picture below. 
  • 2.  If you install it the second method, can you thread the diode through the wire, and wrap the diode around it?  Will that prevent the flow?

posted_image

https://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p....





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 9:43 AM
Do # 2 and solder the diode in place. If you just twist the diode in the wire it will fall out .

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 9:47 AM

Crap....does #1 work at all?  I was given wrong information before, and I did it this way (for a different application).  I threaded the diode through the wire, and wrapped it around. 

By the way, I mis-typed in my post.....I meant threading the diode for the first method, not the second.





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 10:04 AM
If you wire a diode like in the first diagram you are accomplishing nothing except creating another bridge for the current to pass through. If you use the second one the diode is the only bridge that the current can pass, so when it is blocked, there is not other way for current to pass through. Does that make any sense to you ? If not post more questions and I'll try to give you more analogies.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 10:36 AM

ugh....I hate soldering, especially in the carposted_image

Yea, that makes sense.  Like I said, I guess I did it wrong because I used the first method for using the starter kill and the window module on the orange wire of the alarm. I haven't had any bad effects, though.  Are there some negative effects that I should be looking for?

Thanks for the help Jeff!





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 10:49 AM
Worse thing is that it will allow current to pass through as if there were no diode at all , which basically there isn't posted_image

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 10:59 AM

Where'd you get this one? posted_image Haha. 

Thanks again....I'll redo that diode.

Can I use a connector rather than soldering?  Diode in one end, wire in the other?





Posted By: joelr7309
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 11:15 AM

CpGoose, remember when I ask you what wire you hooks up to the 550esp to the trunk, I hooked up the door trigger and jumpered the trunk wire, the alarm didn't have a seperate wire to connect to the trunk, so thats what I did, I was wondering if you did the same, so when I open the the door, it shows that the trunk is open, and vice versa,   I need to now if its giving  you problems because it might give me problems later,  I tried jumpering the hood pin wire to the trunk but something went wrong and it didn't act right, so I disconnected it, where can I hook up the trunk wire?



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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 11:33 AM
No, I didn't do the same.  It's been a while, but I'm almost positive that I hooked up the trunk wire to the BLUE wire on the main harness (the one that says it's for an Optional Sensor).  I had asked the same question a while ago, and this is the response I got.....so that's what I did.




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 11:34 AM
You can use a connector, but for a solid lasting connection......I suggest solder.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 06, 2002 at 11:39 AM
Thanks for all your help Jeff.  I might wind up being lazy and waiting for a bit to change that diode.  I haven't had any bad effects from it, and I just put everything back in last week.  Now that it's like 15 degrees, I can't bring myself to opening it all back up again.  Arg.  posted_image




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 12:06 PM

hey guys....can I just ask one more question?   I'm still not sure if I need 1 diode or 2?  Do I only need one for the alarm's trunk wire.....or do I need 2 diodes.....1 for the car's door wire and 1 for the car's trunk wire?  Ahhh.....better explained with a picture (#1 or #2)?  Do you think this could be my problem?

posted_image

https://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid43/p091...





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 12:38 PM

https://www.velocitymotorsport.com/Door_trigger_isolation.pdf

Use either one of the diagrams



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 12:56 PM

I'm still a little confused.  posted_image

Diagram A is telling me that if I want to have multiple trigger wires from the car work on one alarm input wire, to diode isolate each one to pin 85.

Diagram B is telling me that if I don't want to use a relay (but accomplish the same thing), to double diode isolate each wire?

I just can't tell if one of those is what was in my diagram.   I guess not because I didn't double isolate any of them.  Am I on the right track?





Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: February 02, 2003 at 11:45 AM

Can you repost that PDF file from two posts back....I just tried to click on it,  and I guess it's gone?






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