Power folding mirrors?
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=64367
Printed Date: May 30, 2024 at 5:32 AM
Topic: Power folding mirrors?
Posted By: carguy411
Subject: Power folding mirrors?
Date Posted: October 14, 2005 at 2:22 PM
is it possible to tap the power folding mirrors on the new truckand cars to the alarm so when either u lock or unlock or use an aux the mirrors will fold in and out
i would think that it would be the same way you wire in for a trunk pop or something isnt it just a neg pule tothe switch????
thanks
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Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 10:41 PM
i searched the site but all i found was working it with the aftermarket mirrors not stock
can anyone help me out
thanks
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: October 18, 2005 at 12:17 AM
What kind of vehicle? How do the mirrors retract, reverse, switch, or other?
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Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 18, 2005 at 9:21 AM
its on a 2004 tahoe z71.
you use the switch that controls the power mirros itself. when the switch is put in the middle you then hit either left or right and that opens and closes the mirrors.'
i thik it might just be a simple neg pulse in which case i can use one ch. and just keep hitting it and it will do what i want, but i want to see if any one had done it before
thanks
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 9:33 AM
Start probing wires to see if it's a (+) or a (-) trigger and then attach a couple of relays to a latching relay to use only one AUX channel to open or close the mirrors.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 3:49 PM
thats what i was thikning on the DEI alarms i think i can set the trunk pop to latch is there a diagram or know how to hook up the relays so i can use 2 seperate wires on the same ch.??
thanks
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 4:03 PM
Will the mirrors fold with the vehicle off? I've seen some cars that the mirrors ONLY fold while the ignition is on. If this is the case, worst case scenario, you could always 5 wire the actual motor that moves the mirros in and out. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 4:43 PM
they still fold with the truck off
it has constant power
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 8:35 AM
so can i use 1 wire from a single ch. to the 2 wires that controll the mirrors???how would i go about doing it anyone have a diagram
thanks
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 9:07 AM
If you can find a 'fold out' and a 'fold in' wire you can use one channel to control them both: Pin85 - 12vdc Pin86 - Negative when armed Pin30 - Either + or -, whatever is needed to make the mirrors move, from your aux channel Pin87A - Fold Out output Pin 87 - Fold In Output With this setup the state of your alarm will dictate what channel two does. When the system is disarmed it will cause the mirrors to fold out, when it is armed it will cause the mirrors to fold in. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 10:11 AM
i wanted it so that i can use an aux ch. not when its armed and disarmed cause sometimes i might arm and disarm a few times when i have to get things out of my truck for work i dont want to burn out the mirrors you know
can i instead use Pin86 and put the neg pulse from the aux channel to that intead so if i hit it once they will fold in and if i hit it a second time they will fold out
thats what im going for
thanks
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 10:18 AM
If you are not using a switch in the vehicle to control these, wire the relays like this: 1st Relay :
30 : Motor side (1) of the JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 1st latching (-) output from Alarm
85 : 12 volts constant
87a : Ground 2nd Relay :
30 : Motor side (2) of the JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 2nd latching (-) output from Alarm
85 : 12 volt constant
87a : Ground If you have a switch in the vehicle controlling these and the switch is normally grounded, wire the relays like this: 1st Relay :
30 : Motor side (1) of the JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 1st latching (-) output from Alarm
85 : 12 volts constant
87a : Switch side (1) of FDM Mirrors 2nd Relay :
30 : Motor side (2) of the JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 2nd latching (-) output from Alarm
85 : 12 volt constant
87a : Switch side (2) of JDM Mirrors ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 10:46 AM
carguy411 wrote:
i wanted it so that i can use an aux ch. not when its armed and disarmed cause sometimes i might arm and disarm a few times when i have to get things out of my truck for work i dont want to burn out the mirrors you know
can i instead use Pin86 and put the neg pulse from the aux channel to that intead so if i hit it once they will fold in and if i hit it a second time they will fold out
thats what im going for
thanks
With the way I posted before you mirrors will NOT move each time you arm and disarm. You will still have to hit the AUX button to make them work (and a validity latch signal at that). The only thing that changes every time you arm and disarm the alarm would be the state of the relay. If you look at the Pin30 you will see that it is labeled AUX channel. All the relay does is direct where the AUX signal goes when you push the AUX button. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 11:04 AM
ok kool now i understand i didnt relize that before
but now im confused cause you say i need one relay and jeff is showing 2 relays
so now which way do i go
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 11:36 AM
carguy411 wrote:
ok kool now i understand i didnt relize that before
but now im confused cause you say i need one relay and jeff is showing 2 relays
so now which way do i go
If you use a latching relay you only need one AUX trigger and it will flip flop between the two relays. If you have 2 AUX channels, then you only need the two relays from above. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 1:34 PM
y cant i wire it lke KPierson showed with one relay
that seems like asimple way to do it if its gonna work they way i want itto?
Posted By: ihookitup4u
Date Posted: October 22, 2005 at 2:34 AM
good idea however if they just pulse that diagram will give them a constant in either state and then the interior switch will prolly not even work anymore. Play around with em it sounds like you know what you are doing, you will get it and the satisfaction of that it a good high.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: October 22, 2005 at 6:27 PM
My solution relies on you have validity channels, meaning as long as you hold the button down a (-) output is sent. Velocity Motors solution requires two aux channels, both of them should be validity channels. It says to use latching channels, but I wouldn't want to do it with latching channels, as it may burn the motors out if they don't have stops built in to them (most power mirror motors don't, but I have never messed with power fold in motors). ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 22, 2005 at 6:34 PM
i believe one of the of the 3 aux ch i have has validity but stilll it has to have one ch. and two wires coming from it
thats the problem
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 10:21 AM
KPierson wrote:
.................but I wouldn't want to do it with latching channels, as it may burn the motors out if they don't have stops built in to them (most power mirror motors don't, but I have never messed with power fold in motors).
Most JDM mirrors that I have done, have the auto stops on them. USDM mirrors I have not worked on ( GM versions ). If you have a system like a Compustar you can set the pulsed AUX from 1-99 seconds. This way you don't have to bother sitting there making sure that they fold closed and open.In the end it's just the way you want it installed. I have done this to many Imports and have used several different ways to accomplish what the customer wants. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 10:41 AM
carguy411 wrote:
y cant i wire it lke KPierson showed with one relay
that seems like asimple way to do it if its gonna work they way i want itto?
The relay diagram will work from KPierson. The way his works is that you have to have the system armed when connecting 87 to 30 and you have to have the system disarmed when connecting 87a to 30. That is the only difference. The way that I have the diagram laid out is that you can use it whether or not the vehicle is armed or disarmed and also if you do not have a secondary AUX channel you can use a single AUX channel in conjunction with a latching ( flip flop ) relay to reverse the wires so that it will open and close the mirrors with one channel. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 11:10 AM
so if i do it KPierson way it will ony work when armed they will fold in and disarmed they will fold out..
thay fine i dont want to make it to involved with so many relays. im not going to be playing with it all the time .just sometimes i forget to fold them in anad then i have to go back and do it, so having it that way with just one relay is fine... as long as that way will work...
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 2:09 PM
ok i went today to go test the wires but i cant find them
i tried at the switch and goingto the mirror itself i get no readings at all
anyone know the color codes casue i tested almost everyone with now luck
please help
thanks
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: November 01, 2005 at 10:29 PM
ok heres some info i found
now i thik im really stuck
"brown and grey wires at the mirror harness are the ones you need to tap into, they extend and retract by changing the polarity on these wires. I have no idea which is which, as I never got around to doing the conversion myself. You can probably find which is which with a multimeter on those two wires. "
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 01, 2005 at 11:02 PM
If its a reverse polarity system you won't be able to 'tap' the wires. You will have to cut them and install relays. Depending on how the mirrors are wired you may get in to a complicated mess. Some power mirror system motors do NOT rest at ground (like door lock systems). If the wires don't rest at ground you'll have to switch both wires, (+) and (-), for both directions (4 relays).
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: November 02, 2005 at 8:45 AM
nothing is ever easy.....
well if i get a chance this weekend i will test those wires and see what happens if that the c case the n i think ill just forget it
what is the best way to test the wires.. i tend t to ge ta little confused with the rest at ground and the reverse polarity systems
thanks
Posted By: mckee10
Date Posted: November 13, 2005 at 12:27 AM
Hi, first I just recently found these forums and have found them really useful. I have an '03 Silverado with the Matrix rsx3.5. I want to do this mod also, so I've been searching for wiring info so the members on here can better help. I think I've found the wiring info. Go to https://www.streetinspiredkustoms.com/ and click on
Technical Instructions, and then
Complete Turn Signal/Dim/Lamp/Heat Mirror Conversion from 03-04 to 99-02 Guide
and then
Drivers side (or other documents)
HTH and let me know if you can get it to work. I'm still learning about the wiring for relays etc.
This should be the wire colors for the mirror we have
Posted By: mckee10
Date Posted: December 06, 2005 at 8:42 AM
Anyone have a relay diagram on how to do this. I would like them to close/open upon arm/disarm
Posted By: kmil1974
Date Posted: January 11, 2006 at 11:23 AM
did you get it to work ? let me know please kmil74@sbcglobal.net thanks
Posted By: muttman05
Date Posted: January 12, 2006 at 4:51 PM
any update on this would be great. I too want the function
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