RS w/temp for MT (information needed)

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Topic: RS w/temp for MT (information needed)

Posted By: deckard
Subject: RS w/temp for MT (information needed)
Date Posted: December 16, 2002 at 9:17 PM

I have a 1998 Honda Accord with a Manual Transmisson.

I would like to have a remote-start/alarm system installed that has a 2-way remote that shows the temperature inside the car. I know these exist for cars with automatic transmissions, but have yet to find for a manual.

I have checked out Aladdin, DEI (Clifford, Viper), AutoStart, UltraStart and Crimestopper, and haven't found what I need. I may just have missed it, or so I hope.

Can any of you experts help?

thanks,
tate

Replies:

Posted By: Patel
Date Posted: December 16, 2002 at 9:53 PM

I only of know of one product. Not that familar about the reliability of the product (I have only sold one). But it has alot of interesting features. It has interior temp display via the lcd transmitter. It can be programmed to start at specified temps. If want more info on it, e-mail me.

www.wintec.com.tw

LEA-825

Posted By: securinu
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:11 AM

marksman m-10 also does temp www.magnadyne.com

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:32 AM

How much is the M-11 ? Dealer pricing for 10 + units ? & also MSRP ?

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 11:19 AM

My response from Marksman:

Dear Tate,
In regards to your question on our Marksman alarms. I have the same vehicle. The M10 will work, but I would not advise to hook up the remote start feature of this alarm. The alarm can operate like a normal alarm, but just not will the remote start feature. I do not have any dealers in your particular area. If there is a bigger city near you please email me that information and I will try to find you a retailer to assist you. Thank you for your interest in Marksman products.

Sincerely,
Lori Jones
Marksman Customer Service

Sounds like no "manual mode". Though I did reply and explain "manual mode" (parking brake, push button, pull key, lock doors, remote shut off, "ready mode").

Thanks for the replies to date. Anyone else have any information...

Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 12:10 PM

I found this: They left out the model number for the manual transmission model, but I assume it is the Ultrastart 4500M. https://xlelectronics.com/store/enter.html?target=Auto_SecurityAlarm_Systems.html . You have to scroll down about half way. It sure is Spendy though, and the temerature sensor is optional at that. But Hey! Free shipping!, They should just say that shipping is not an additional charge to this inflated price.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

Posted By: Zach_2
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:34 PM

Hey guys,

The AutoPage RS-750LCD is identical to the Marksman M-10 and it comes with the temp sensor, tap page, dual stage shock for less than $200 from multiple places.

Just FYI,

Zach

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 1:37 PM

From what I have seen and heard from other people on this site, the AutoPage is not the most installer friendly as well as there are some glitches in the programming of the unit. This is my 2c's about this unit from what I have heard.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 17, 2002 at 7:45 PM

I believe that the UltraStart doesn't actually display the temperature on the remote. I am waiting for a response to an email I sent them.

Posted By: Zach_2
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 12:36 AM

Jeff,

Didn't mean to steer Deckard down the wrong path, I had read on this site that the Marksman M10 & Autopage RS-750LCD where identical, do they contain different firmware (i.e. programming)? Also I had looked through this site and found a few disparaging remarks about the Autopage, but attributed them to installation issues, remote range, etc. I am installing an Autopage next week and have been trying to find all of the pitfalls and problems I might encounter, if you could provide any information or some links to issues with the RS-750LCD unit it would help alot.
As for the Ultrastart, I was looking at that also, I don't think it displays temp, but the flip open LCD cover is way cool. I emailed 4 different Ultrastart sources including the MFG site and none of them responded so I'd like to know what you find out Deckard, if you get a chance to post the info.

Zach

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 12:40 AM

Zach_2....yes ...?

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: Zach_2
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 12:46 AM

Jeff,

see above, I keep wanting to hit the darn tab key and end up with a partial post, sorry.

Zach

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 1:13 AM

Hey Zach.... the information that I was referring to was past posts from other members that either loved the units or hated them because of installation troubles ( their own of course ) and the trouble of trying to program the units ( again maybe attributed to the installer, not the unit itself ). I have installed Ultra Starts before and they seems fairly good. The remote control flip face is cool as it hides three other buttons as well. Tons of features on it, but no temperature monitor ( optional ).

If you want to check out the Autopage, type in the model number in the search tab at the top of this page and look in " ALL OF 12 volt "

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: December 18, 2002 at 4:34 AM

I thought I would put my 2 cents in about the Autopage. I have installed some pretty easy remote starters, So I can see how people would think that the Autopage units were "Not Installer Friendly", because they are a more complex unit. Nevertheless, I found that the programming was very straight forward. However, the programming switch is most likely the issue that people had. It does take some getting used to. I just used a DMM Test lead (that was not very sharp) to press the button more accurately. It was not designed for big hands and fingers, but I hardly consider it a reason to not consider the unit.

Well put in your last post Jeff. It sounds like those people who complained about the Autopage were either inexperienced or ....well, I guess that says it.

I find that any unit can be "Not installer friendly" when it is brand new to me, or I have not prepped the unit before hand or read the manual once over to get an overview of the features and programming options. The Autopage was actually a very easy install my first time because I had it all prepped, and I new what all the wires were for, and the programming was not an issue in the least. and I am going to shut up now because I am rambling on and we are not even on the right topic anymore since Deckard has a manual transmission.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 1:04 PM

Summary to date:

Autopage:     Manual=No    Temp=Yes
Marksman:    Manual=No    Temp=Yes
Ultrastart:     Manual=Yes    Temp=No
Wintec:          Manual=Yes   Temp=Yes     Quality/Legality/Availabilty=Unknown

Correct so far?

Who are the other big players in the RS market? What am I missing?

Thanks for all those who have commented. Even off-topic comments are interesting, mostly.

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 1:22 PM

Aladdin a-2002 International version

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 19, 2002 at 3:37 PM

I'll learn Celcius if that's what it takes!

Of course the next problem would be availability of the unit (do you have them jeff?) and finding an installer willing to do the international install.

Are there actually legal issues as well, for example with the FCC? Or is that an exagerated concern?

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 20, 2002 at 11:22 PM

FCC is a real concern and the manufacturer is responsible for complying with the FCC rulings. The fact that the international versions are not legally sold in the USA is the main deterrant that we have about bringing these units in for sale. Without the potential US sales we really don't want to commit to a large inventory of the International models.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 21, 2002 at 6:28 AM

Autopage 750LCD:     Manual=No    Temp=Yes
Marksman M10:        Manual=No    Temp=Yes
Ultrastart 4500:        Manual=Yes    Temp=No
Alladin 2000 (US)        Manual=Yes    Temp=No
Wintec LEA825:          Manual=Yes   Temp=Yes     Quality/Legality/Availabilty=Unknown
Alladin 2000 (Intl)       Manual=Yes    Temp=Yes     Legality/Availability=Unknown/No

:-/

Posted By: Zach_2
Date Posted: December 21, 2002 at 12:46 PM

deckard,

Here's one that has temperature indicator and remote start for manuals. I have seen these for sale on e-bay, presumably available from a more reliable source some where. Here is the link to the documentation page the unit that best fits your needs (I think) is the PL-7100TW

https://www.gitsecurity.com/eng/home.htm

For what its worth I've bought several things off of e-bay and haven't been burnt yet, so may be an option if you can't find it else where,

Zach

Posted By: Zach_2
Date Posted: December 21, 2002 at 1:54 PM

Well, I'm getting the distinct impression that the US and other manufacturers that explicitly state not to use their RS units for manual transmissions are doing so purely for liability reasons. A case in point check out the two links that follow, it's my belief that these are both the same unit yet the Crimestopper version says DO NOT use on a manual, but the other says manual RS OK, you decide. Also, a question for Jeff regarding the Aladdin system, do the alarm brains that are sold in the US have the temperature sensor port? And do the LCD Pager Remotes have the necessary elements for displaying temp? I bet they do, and it's simply a matter of getting the optional temperature sensor and plugin it in. Just curious, anyway here are the e-bay links:

ebay item #1:

ebay item #2:

see ya,

Zach

Found another one by Delta

Posted By: deckard
Date Posted: December 22, 2002 at 12:34 AM

Zach, Thanks for the information. I have an email in to GIT now.

Has anyone here actually used, or installed, anything made by G.I.T.?

Posted By: TTopStang
Date Posted: December 22, 2002 at 12:56 AM

As far as the FCC concern...Isn't the Autopage 750 FCC legal in the states? I know my key fobs have the FCC ID # right on the back of them. I can't check the brain because it's already installed but I believe it also had an FCC ID on it. I would also gather that the Marksman should be also because it's the same as the Autopage. Why do some people make them seem as though they are illegal? Are they just people from other companys trying to push their products?

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 25, 2002 at 12:05 AM

..................do the alarm brains that are sold in the US have the temperature sensor port? And do the LCD Pager Remotes have the necessary elements for displaying temp? I bet they do, and it's simply a matter of getting the optional temperature sensor and plugin it in.

There is not temparature sensor port on the US models. The remotes may have the option on there but all the manuals that I have do not lead me to where it is on the remote controls. If this is the case, then I wish I knew where the prot was, but I do not want to push the warranty issue with the manufacturer and loose my potential contract with them .

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA