Crimestopper CS2011RS4 start problem
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Printed Date: April 27, 2024 at 10:33 AM
Topic: Crimestopper CS2011RS4 start problem
Posted By: viptime
Subject: Crimestopper CS2011RS4 start problem
Date Posted: December 25, 2005 at 9:27 AM
I Installed crime stopper CS2011RS4 on a Chevrolet Malibu 1999. Start worked first few times and now it dose not work xx(. I took a second look at the manual and i see: (use external relays for high current ignition and or accessory circuits grater then 30A Failure to do so could result in damage to the unit). Besides replacing the brain what do I need? :errr: Any one know if this car got more then 30A current in ignition or accessory circuits? And if Yes how do I connect the relay? Maybe some one got a diagram. All help is really appreciated. Thank you
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: December 25, 2005 at 11:57 AM
You mentioned that it doesn't work now ? What doesn't work & what does work ? Does it attempt to crank and fail to start or does it not even attempt to start but the dash lights all come on ?
Most vehicle systems do not draw more than 20 amps of current aside from rear defrosts and A/C condensors. I would trace back my connections if I were you to see if there's a blown fuse, bad ground or if the Passlock wires are correct and still intact.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 26, 2005 at 5:31 PM
Thank you Jeff,
Nothing works, the lights do not light up on the in the instrument cluster. No cranking, to relays clicking. No signs of life at all.
I cheeked the fuses and all fuses are fine.
The guy I got the alarm from told me that he will change the bran for me.
I am really reluctant connecting the new bran to the wiring that burned out one brain already.
Maybe I should install fuses in to ignition and accessory wires?
I rechecked connections and it all seems to be 100% in order.
I do not know what else to do
Thank you
Posted By: ziggyb222
Date Posted: December 26, 2005 at 6:29 PM
Make sure it is grounded to a factory ground or equivelant. Also how were you connections made??
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 26, 2005 at 6:55 PM
thank you Ziggy I pulled out a radio and ignition harness is right there I striped about 1/3 of an inch of the wires and wound the alarm wire around the exposed portion. (solid connections)Than I insulated it with electric tape. I ground it to the metal body support structure behind the radio. Ground was connected last
Posted By: Haku
Date Posted: December 26, 2005 at 7:51 PM
viptime wrote:
thank you Ziggy I pulled out a radio and ignition harness is right there I striped about 1/3 of an inch of the wires and wound the alarm wire around the exposed portion. (solid connections)Than I insulated it with electric tape. I ground it to the metal body support structure behind the radio. Ground was connected last
Did you not solder them? If not, that could be your problem. Other things to check.. ground, antenna. Try putting the unit in learn mode (open hood, or ground grey wire, and turn key to on postion NOT START, and push the program button five times.. if you hear five clicks, and the lights flash... then you have an antenna or remote problem. It nothing, then you have a ground or power issue. The chances of you getting a bad brain are very low. Post how it turns out Hak ------------- Hak
Siemens Autostart
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 27, 2005 at 1:58 PM
thanks you Haku, Do I really have to solder all connections? Can I get a second opinion on this. Do you think that a week connection at the ignition or ground could have caused this problem? I remember connecting and disconnecting the ground a few time wile remote staring it to test it out. Thank You
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: December 27, 2005 at 3:38 PM
You should check you power connection(30a fuses),and then check your ground connection,If both of those are good make sure the antennae is plugged in.My opinion is that you should always solder those high current connections!
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 28, 2005 at 9:09 PM
Thank you prdjr
Fuses are good antenna is plugged in I will solder the connections.
So you think that the poor connection could have caused the bran to burn out?
Thank you
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: December 28, 2005 at 9:37 PM
I'm not sure,are you sure the brain is bad?I really don't think a loose connection will fry the brain.What about reprograming the remotes.I have heard that sometimes Crimestopper remotes lose their programing.
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 9:37 AM
Thank you prdjr165 I don’t have the brain now (mailed it back to the guy who sold it to me for exchange) to check the remote programming. After it stopped working the brain smelled like burned rubber. So I sure that it is fried. The only thing I can think of it that I loosely connected and disconnected the ground wile making sure thins works. Every thing worked just fine I started putting things back together and I smelled something burning I tried to start it and it was dad. Turned out that it was the brain frying. I am truing to figure out what was the problem before I fry an other unit.
Do I have to use external relays in the Chevy Malibu 99?
Thank you
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 10:01 AM
If I were you,I would go over these wires one by one before hooking up the new unit.Don't hook up the doorlocks or anything else,this way it will be isolated to the remote start side.Make sure your 6 pin wire harness is pushed on all the and lined up properly,I think it can be plugged in up-side down.
crimestopper wire 99 malibu color
color
ign 1 :pink pink
ign 2 :pink white green
acces :gray orange
power 12v:red(2) red
start :brown yellow
Posted By: ziggyb222
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 12:43 PM
And make sure all your connections are soldered securely. A loose power connection with the ground being taken off and on could have shorted the brain.
Posted By: viptime
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 9:47 PM
thank you ziggy and prdjr165 I rechecked all connections and it checked out 100% and the funny thing is that it worked I will solder it all once I get the brain back.
The power harness can be plugged in upside down but cant be pushed in all the way if upside down but it was not a problem. Hopefully once it all soldered together this thing will work and will not fry.
I will you all posted. thank you
Posted By: natsys
Date Posted: December 30, 2005 at 7:41 AM
I installed a 2014 for a friend of mine who repairs sensative electronic equipment. His bad back prevented him from getting under the dash, so he bought a Toyota shop manual and the alarm/RS, and I made the connections he called out. Everything worked great until final testing when something smelled really wrong in the area of the unit's brain. We took it out and opened it up and found that one of the chips was fried. When he went over his wiring diagrams he found out that he directed me to hook up a power output from the unit right to ground. That was only the 3rd R/S I'd ever done, and this guy is so smart I wouldn't question his directions.
Point is, I should have. I should have double checked every connection for proper voltage and/or function before making the connection. He went to work and ordered the chip and repaired his own unit which worked fine when reinstalled and the short circuit corrected.
I'd follow the advice you already got and hook up your high current connector AND ground--firmly to a good clean ground and don't touch it again. Be sure to remove the fuses before making any connection. Then install the fuses and see if everything looks good. If no problems install the antenna and test with the remote. It should at least attempt to start by cranking the starter. If it starts or cranks and doesn't start you probably are good. Use the remote to shut it down by pressing the start button again.
Then I'd use a multimeter to check each and every other connection you made. My friend's bad connection was in his door trigger wiring so don't assume that any connection you previously made is okay--check them all. It would be a pain, but if you disconnected all of them and plugged in your smaller harness, then added them in one at a time, you could test as you go starting with the safety features like brakes and hood pin switch. Then if you needed to test (like a tach hook up) you could just open the hood or hit the brake pedal to shut the start down. Since the ground wire is in one of these other harnesses you really ought to consider disconnecting the other wires in the harness to eliminate them as a source of potential problems when first hooking up the unit. This may seem like the long way to do things, but it's probably a lot cheaper than buying another brain because I don't think the dealer will send you still another one.
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