Bulldog RS door locks on 03 Montana
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Topic: Bulldog RS door locks on 03 Montana
Posted By: djreiswig
Subject: Bulldog RS door locks on 03 Montana
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 7:44 AM
I am installing a Bulldog 1000 RS on an 03 Montana. Everything works fine with the RS, but I don't know how to make the door locks work the way I would like. I hooked into the wires for the driver's door switch, but if the van is locked with the old keyless remote, and then unlocked with the Bulldog remote, the horn goes nuts. I don't know if it has the factory alarm or not. I would assume it does by the way it responds. I have the wiring info, but I don't know if it is correct for my van. Here is what it says. POWER LOCK|RED / black *3 |- |BCM, to right of glove box |
POWER UNLOCK|ORANGE / black *3 |- |BCM, to right of glove box | *3 The door lock wires will only meter when turning the key in either door key cylinder. Also have to program the door lock pulse duration for 3.5 seconds to unlock the doors. On vehicles without the factory alarm, use lt. blue for lock and white for unlock. Find the wires in either kick panel. How should I check these wires? Do I test them with a meter to ground? Volts or Ohms? What should they read? How does the van know if the key is being turned? Will this prevent the horn from going nuts if I use these wires instead of the lock button inside the van? Do I give them a negative or positive when I hook up the remote start wires. Also, is there a way on this van to make the locks work like they do with the factory FOB? i.e. push unlock once, driver's door only unlocks. push unlock twice all doors unlock. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Posted By: mo12v
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 8:09 AM
Use a Meter You will need a Second Unlock Output from your Bulldog and a SPDT Relay | Drv Door Unlock | TAN ( + ) | Driver KICK PANEL |
| Power Lock | RED / BLACK ( - ) | IN DRIVER'S | | Power Unlock | ORANGE ( - ) | KICK PANEL |
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Don't Learn from Others Mistakes
You Might Be the One That Knows.
Posted By: djreiswig
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 8:15 AM
Will these connections disarm the factory horn thing? Are these not at the BCM? I do have a RED / blk and two ORANGE / blks at the BCM. Where are they in the kick panel. Do they come from the door thru the rubber boot? How does the Second Unlock Output work? I am using the wires on the Bulldog that are for the locks now. I read something in the book about a double pulse lock thing. It sounded like it was for an alarm system or something. Where does the relay go? Do you have the colors and plug numbers that I need to connect from the Bulldog. This is the first one of these I have put in, and I don't want to buy a new BCM.
Posted By: mo12v
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 9:12 AM
?????? Check to see if your Bulldog has the SECOND Unlock wire feature......
If it doesn't, then you either have to purchase a Pulse Expander or do without the Driver Priority Feature you want.........
ORANGE is Unlock & Disarm...........in Driver Kick Panel, also in Boot ------------- MO
Don't Learn from Others Mistakes
You Might Be the One That Knows.
Posted By: djreiswig
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 10:17 AM
How do I know if it has this option? Will the book say SECOND Unlock wire feature? I know it has the dual pulse thing for disarming an alarm. It says something about this in the book, like one push for driver's door disarm and unlock and two pushes for all other doors disarm and unlock. Is this what I am looking for? The stuff for the van on bulldogsecurity.com says to use RED / blk and orng/blk at BCM. How will the tan, orange, and RED / blk connect to the starter? I think I have the Deluxe 500 on their website. I don't have the books with me. I do know I have lots of extra wires, though. Can anybody come up with a schematic for the starter I have?
Posted By: tpapke
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 11:43 AM
I am the owner of the van and was assisting djreiswig on the install. We do have an out put for a 2 stage unlock and have a diagram on how to connect. If you have factory keyless bulldog recomends connecting to RED / black(-) for lock and ORANGE / back(-) for unlock at the BCM. This may operate the 2 stage unlock but we were leery of doing this because the wires did not meter the way they said they would. The main problem is if the factory content theft system is armed with the the factory fob, when you remote start, the horn and the lights are activated for two minutes (not a good thing in the parking garage at the hospital where my wife works). Is there a way to disarm this when the rs is used or do I have to disable the content theft system all together? Thanks.
Posted By: djreiswig
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 3:18 PM
Can anybody help us with this?
Posted By: uffdog
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 5:05 PM
Make your install easier , buy one of the data bypass modules from Bypass kit .com , then you won't have to rig up relays, I saw one for this vehicle there that will do all you want, well worth the 80-90 bucks or a DEI bypass module which does the same thing , trusat me it makes the install alot easier ,especially if you are not sure what relays to set up, one wire and you're done
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RFD
Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 5:40 PM
If your remote starter has a disarm output hook it to the ORANGE / black wire in the driver's kick panel harness. This is the same harness that comes in from the door. It is behind the rubber/foam deadner. Hook your lock wire to the RED / black and hook your unlock wire to the white wire. Make sure your disarm output activates during both unlock and start. If it doesn't or if you don't have a disarm output, use the ORANGE / black for disarm and unlock. It will need a 3 sec. pulse or a double pulse to disarm and then unlock all doors. You will have to program the remote starter to relock the doors after start. The RED / black locksthe doors and arms the alarm.
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sparky
Posted By: djreiswig
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 6:39 PM
Hi Sparkie. The instructions for the remote start say to use the RED / blk and ORANGE / blk at the BCM. The BCM is under the right side of the dash next to the glovebox. Are there also wires with these colors by the driver's kick panel? Would they be the same wires? I think I remember reading somewhere that if you give the unlock wire a .8 sec pulse it would disarm without unlocking. Any ideas on how to make the drivers door unlock with one push on the remote and the other doors unlock with a second push? What should these wires read with a meter so I know if I have the right ones. Thanks
Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 7:11 PM
The wires are the same ones either at the BCM or in driver's kick panel. They run from the kick panel, back to the front seat, across the van and then forward to the BCM. The ORANGE / black is both an unlock wire and a disarm wire. A double pulse will first disarm and then unlock all the doors on the second pulse. One long pulse will also do the same thing. Measure the wires with a meter set on a 12 volt DC scale. Put your meter's red probe on a know 12 volt + source and use the black probe to test each wire. Your meter will show 12 volts when you activate the correct wire. There should only be one of the RED / black and ORANGE / black wires in the harness. To do what is termed a two step unlock, your remote starter has to have the ability to do this. it will have two wires for unlock and may require programming to activate the feature. The extra unlock wire is designed to cause the driver's door to unlock first with one press of the unlock button on the remote. You need this wire to activate a relay to open the tan wire going into the driver's door. This tan wire is the one which goes to 12 volts + when you use the door unlock switch. It sends 12 volts to the door lock motor wire. Wire the relay as follows: Cut the tan wire going into the door. Terminal #86 and # 87 to a fused 12 volts + battery source; terminal #85 to the first unlock wire from the remote starter (this is the one you are using now); terminal # 87a to the van side of the cut tan wire; terminal 30 to the door side of the cut tan wire. The other door unlock wire which you aren't currently using goes to the white unlock wire coming in from the driver's door.
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sparky
Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: February 16, 2006 at 3:12 PM
There is only one ORANGE / black wire coming in from either front door. This is the disarm wire/unlock wire. The easiest place to get it is in the driver's kick panel. Pull the sill panel off the floor at the door's edge and then pull the kick panel rearward. There is rubber backed foam behind the panel. Reach behind it and pull the wire harness that is in there. You can pull it out fairly far as it runs down the sill plate. Remove the tape and you will find all the door lock and alarm wires. To test for the correct wire you can't check it the way you described. Set your meter on a 12 volt DC scale and put your red probe on a known 12 volt+ source of battery power. Put your black meter lead on the orange black wire. Use your key in the key cylinder in the outside of the driver's door. Turn the key to the unlock position and watch the meter for a response. It should go to 12 volts when you turn the key. The pulse must be very short or the doors will also unlock. The only RED / black in the harness will both lock and arm the alarm with a 3/4 sec. negative pulse. The white wire is the unlock wire. These wires won't likely respond with using the factory remote.
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sparky
Posted By: paulrboucher
Date Posted: February 16, 2006 at 6:10 PM
It's working! Everything turned out as you predicted Sparkie. When I remote start, with the alarm on, the remote starter first disarms the alarm without unlocking the doors, then starts the engine! Super! (I also had to enable the "Secure Lock" function on the AS1200 ) ------ I have another question. The Pontiac Transport 1998 has multiple ignition wires. Do I really need to "connect" all of them? I didn't "connect" the white ignition wire and the remote starter and the car is running fine. Here are the details. I installed an Autostart AS1200. The Pontiac Transport 1998 ignition harness has the following wires: two 12V, one Starter wire, three Ignition wires and one Accessory wire (as per the GM specs): -12 volts, Red (fused at 60 amps): connected to 12V constant of the remote starter -12 volts, RED / White (fused at 40 amps): connected to other 12V constant of the remote starter -Starter, Yellow: connected to STARTER pin of the remote starter Ignition 1, Pink: connected to the IGNITION pin of the remote starter -Ignition 2 (HVAC), Orange: connected to the ACCESSORY pin of the remote starter -Ignition 3 (INSTRUMENT CLUSTER), White: not connected -Accessory, Brown: not connected Accoding to https://www.drdetailshop.com/STARTINSTALL.html "Some vehicles have more than one ignition wire; all ignition wires should be connected when installing a remote starter. Use relays for connecting additional ignition wires. This Second ignition wires must be connected to an additional relay and
can not be tied in with the original ignition wire. Just connect the new relay using the first ignition relay negative trigger wire and connect the B+ to a known good 12V source."
I am concerned that I should provide 12V to the Ignition 3 wire (WHITE), however, I didn't notice anything wrong when remote starting the car or driving it. What do you suggest? ----------------- For sake of completeness here is the complete list of connections: remote starter tach pin: connected to Pontiac white wire in big harness front of engine on top of radiator remote starter brake pin: connected to Pontiac white wire on brake switch (over the brake pedal) remote starter parking light pin: connected to Pontiac brown wire on headlight switch remote starter unlock pin: connected to Pontiac ORANGE / BLACK wire in driver kick panel. I also installed a hood pin and a valet switch and use all default settings in the remote stater except I enabled the "Secure Lock" function (in order to disarm without unlocking prior to remote start).
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