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99 blazer with computstar craziness

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: 99 blazer with computstar craziness

Posted By: johnnyhardware
Subject: 99 blazer with computstar craziness
Date Posted: January 12, 2006 at 11:30 AM

I recently had a compustar 1WAM-S installed in my 1999 chev blazer and it is doing something that the compustar techs have never heard of.  If you stand anywhere in front of the front half of the truck (b-pillar and forwards) by pressing the unlock button on the remote all is good.  By standing more towards the rear of the truck (including next to the rear doors) pressing the unlock button on the compustar remote will set off the factory alarm and to turn off the alarm you yhave to start the truck with the remote starter.

The only thing I can think of is that the factory and the compustar systems are on the same frequency and one is receiving the unlock request before the other and one system does not like it.  Has anyone else come across something like this situation or have any suggestions as to why this is happening other than the truck being posessed?

THX




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Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 12:12 PM

**UPDATE**

Ok...so I took the truck to another, more reputable shop and here is what was going on.  The original "professional" installer did not connect the anti-grind, starter kill, factory disarm and rear hatch leads; none of the connections were soldered; the door locks had an improper relay; the passlock 2 module was the wrong one; the "brain" and all the wiring was just stuffed up under the dash and not affixed to anything; the valet and key out features were not programmed / wired; and perhaps the worst part of the "professional" install, apart from the potential fire hazard of unsoldered connections or the brain and the wiring falling out from behind the dash blocking the brake peddle, was that a metal plate that is supposed to be under the dash to prevent the steering column from taking the legs off of the driver when the column shears in a head-on collision was missing.  When I asked the original shop about the missing plate they said that they had lots... meaning that I am not the only person with this missing safety feature.  Nice, huh? 





Posted By: OhioMike1101
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 5:50 PM

hmmmm....  where to start and try to reassure you.

Antigrind with that unit is prewired and I couldn't possibly understand why they would INTENTIONALLY cut it off to  not hook it up. 

Many companies have the rear hatch release as an option

Improper relay?  Never heard of such a thing.  Did your keyless work with the 1WAMS?  If so, I would assume it was a correct relay.

Wrong Passlock2 bypass?  Did the car RS?  If it did, then how could the bypass be wrong?

Factory disarm wire.....  they can be accidently overlooked sometimes. 

Valet not programmed?  You do that yourself through the remotes. 

Not soldered?  My shop does not solder most of the time.  We strip, poke, tape, and zip tie.  Soldering is not an absolute.

You make it sound alot worse than it probably is.  The new shop probably is not a CS dealer and not familiar with the units.



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Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: January 24, 2006 at 7:06 AM
Another professional installer here.

I agree with pretty much everything OhioMike says, with a couple of comments:

--Wrong Passlock bypass: There are many ways to defeat Passlock during remote start, some of which are more reliable than others. But that doesn't mean it's "wrong."

However, they might have PERMANENTLY defeated Passlock forever, which is (A) unnecessary, (B) leaves the car prone to theft, and (C) can sometimes be unreliable.

--Wires not soldered: As Mike says, many shops (including the one I work for) don't regularly solder.

There is MUCH debate among installers about how important it is to solder wires, but no one claims a fire hazard.

It's really a matter of whether the connection is made securely and carefully, or not. If the connection is poorly taped, and the wires are not cinched up with zip-ties as a strain relief, it really doesn't matter if they're soldered or not.

Also, with proper fusing, if things become untaped for whatever reason..... fuses are supposed to blow, before there's a fire.

--Knee bolster not installed: That's the one that really gets me. There is NO reason not to reinstall it----it's only four nuts! This tells me the installer has NO concern for your safety, and at that point I would be suspicious of the entire install.




Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: January 24, 2006 at 10:54 AM
As far as "features", what did you pay for?

In many shops, anti-grind is extra, trunk/hatch release is extra, hell, even parklights are $10 extra in some chain stores. Just because it comes with it, doesn't mean it gets hooked up.

That being said, if it is an alarm/starter, then generally you get starterkill/antigrind as a feature, hatch and hood pins as well. Not too familiar with the Compustar stuff and what it has for features. As far as improper bypass,
if it starts with the remote, then the bypass is proper.

If the unit wasn't tied up nicely, and stuff wasn't put back together, then that is just a lazy installer. Period. This does sound like one of the local chain stores around here.... slap it together as quickly as possible.....

Gus

PS: Did they at least do a hoodpin??????

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Posted By: mike swanson
Date Posted: January 24, 2006 at 12:31 PM
Factory disarm wire..... they can be accidently overlooked sometimes. Thats the 1st thing I test.
And all the other opts always get hooked up at my shop.
Thats the point of getting a RS/Alarm. To have the options. That like installing an alarm and not installing a pin in the hood and the trunk. With it done like that all you have is a keyless with a siren.

We dont do the antigrind or starter kill due to relay failure. It happens!

At least, I hope they hooked up a hoodpin!




Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 9:06 AM

Thanks for the reply.  I will try to answer your questions as best I can.

Quotes by OhioMike1101 in bold...

Many companies have the rear hatch release as an option

When I approached the shop I asked that the Compustar remote replace the factory one with all its functionality including the hatch release.

Improper relay?  Never heard of such a thing.  Did your keyless work with the 1WAMS?  If so, I would assume it was a correct relay.

Well, the second installer showed me this mess of several relays and wires all mashed together beind my dash and said that was what was the "relay" for the door locks.  It looked like a really bad McGyver job.  There were at least three relays and multiple leads cross-wired and taped up.

Wrong Passlock2 bypass?  Did the car RS?  If it did, then how could the bypass be wrong?

The main issue we were having was that the alarm was going off when the doors were unlocked.  The second installer stated that the bypass was a DEI unit that could not be programmed and that it was one they have never seen used in this application.

Factory disarm wire.....  they can be accidently overlooked sometimes. 

I am paying a "professional" to do an install for me.  I expect professional results.  Forgetting to do something that I am paying someone to do, by my definition is not professional.

Valet not programmed?  You do that yourself through the remotes. 

It never seemed to work until it was looked at by the second installer

Not soldered?  My shop does not solder most of the time.  We strip, poke, tape, and zip tie.  Soldering is not an absolute.

I can understand not soldering certain connections but when all connections are taped and not soldered nor tied back that is just wrong.

You make it sound alot worse than it probably is.  The new shop probably is not a CS dealer and not familiar with the units.

They claim to be a CompuStar dealer fully trained an all that jazz.





Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 9:11 AM

Nope... no hood pin... originally.





Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 9:58 AM
If the connection is secure.... there is no need to solder. The only things that get soldered around here are things that get cut (5wire door locks, starter kill, passlock) and diodes or resistors.

Ever see what a soldered connection does in a tilt column??

If the shop can't make a decent wire to wire connection without soldering, I would really really hate to see what their soldered connections look like.

Gus

PS: I may think you were assuming they would throw in features that are part of the starter, but are extra labour/parts to install.......

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Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 10:46 AM

When I asked them about installing the remote starter I asked specifically:

Will it have starter kill?
"yes"
Will it come with two remotes?
"yes"
Does it do anti-grind?
"yes"
I want the remote on the compustar to do all the functions that the factory remote does including door locks and hatch release.
"we can do that but it will cost more"
I gave them approval to install the extra features.

It did not have starter kill wired, did not have the anti-grind wired, did not relase the hatch and only came with one remote.  After day 6 of this "professional" having the truck I was just happy to get it back.  Needless to say we negociated a lower price as it took so long yet all the features I asked for were to have been completed.

I totally understand that soldering is not necessary and had this guy soldered anything in my truck I am certain that I'd have a burned carpet and melted dashboard.  Again, when I pay for a professional electrical install I expect to see proper crimp connectors, heat shrink, wire ties and soldered wire to wire connections or at least crimped butt connectors.  I employ all the above whenever I do electrical work in my vehicles or at my job.  I cannot stress this enough, when I pay someone who claims to be a professional installer to do something that I have no experience in doing, I expect them to do a better job than I could and not just use electrical tape everywhere with no crimp connectors of any dectription.  Not that I am bitter...posted_image





Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 11:19 AM
Ummm.... the first warning flag would be the truck being in the shop for anything longer thatn 3hours.....

Funny thing about heat shrink. In order for anyone to use heat shrink in a remote start application, you would need to cut every wire that is tied into. Down the road... this is not going to be a good thing. Besides, when/if you decide to sell the vehicle, and want to keep your starter, you now have to undo all of this....

Sometimes the lowest price isn't necessarily the best price, BTW.

I'm just looking at this from a shop owner's perspective. But definately, anything over a half day for a complete alarm starter in a Blazer is far too long....


Gus


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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......




Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 12:41 PM

Yeah... I was a bit concerned but let him do his thing trusting that all was good.  He kept on coming up with excuses as to why it was not done....parts not in... parts he got did not work... blah blah blah...  I did not need the vehicle for the week anyway.  The only reason I picked that shop was because the other options were a large electronics chain (which I would not trust to change a lightbulb) or another shop that does all the work in the parking lot as they have no garage.   I suppose it was the lessor of two evils. 

I did end up paying $200 for the original install and another $90 for the fix as they had to replace the bypass that was wonky.





Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 1:30 PM
It's a Chevy truck...... any shop in Westren Canada has parts ALWAYS in stock for GM flavoured stuff.

Unreal.... absolutely unreal......

Gus


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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......




Posted By: johnnyhardware
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 8:45 AM

Thanks for the replies Gus.  I really do appreciate the insight of someone who knows they are doing, unlike my original installer.  Why couldn't your shop be in my city?  It would have saved me a lot of hassle.  posted_image

John






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