Viper 160XV Remote Start

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Topic: Viper 160XV Remote Start

Posted By: fst100
Subject: Viper 160XV Remote Start
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 7:35 AM

vehicle-1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP has no passlock 3

Remote Start/Security: Viper 160XV

Scenario:

installed the security aspect of the VIper 160XV remote start/security, but am having trouble setting up the remote start on the car. here's the link(its in pdf attachment-https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/og/viper/G562V_07-05.pdf
i tapped the tach wire from the dash harness, its a white wire.
Overall what i did-
i grounded both the hood pin switch and the nuetral safety wires-someone told me the neutral safety wire are only necessary to be tapped with a manual, so just ground it to the chassis. i cutted the starter wire(yellow) to the necesary wire on the remote(purple) going to the starter motor. connected the other end from the remote/starter kill(green) to the other half of the starter going into the key ignition. connected both the 2 red 12v wires together(pigtailed) to the constant red 12v source. skipped the oragne accessory output(no need yet), connected the pink ignition output from the remote to the 1st ignition wire(pink). pink/white to the 2nd ignition(white).
did anyone use the auxiliary wire connection at all? it arms and disarms the factory alarm if the remote start either starts or shuts off. another is the deisel wait-to-start feature and another that provides 200mA programmable output. i didnt connect these yet, seing i dont think it'd iniate the remote start feature.

Remote Start Harness-
status/defogger-left alone
hod pin switch- grounded to the chassis
brake switch- tapped into the white wire coming from the brake pedal
tach wire- tapped into white wire coming from the dash harness (https://www.midwest3800.com/forum/kb.php?mode=article&k=83)
neutral safety switch input- grounded along with hod pin switch to chassis

Primary harness wire connection-i'd say its 80% complete
ground when armed output- grounded to chassis
light flash- tapped into headlights(yellow)
remote start activation input- dunno, the manual has it showing a press-down button of some sort, and i cant figure out if i wired the wire correctly to it.(maybe ths is where im lost) the press-down illustration shows the wire from the remote and another wire to a ground posted_image
domelight supervision- left alone(no need to wire it in yet)
second unlock-tapped into white wire at door panel(one thats connected to the a-pillar)
chassis ground connection-of course to the chassis
horn honk-tapped into black wire from the bcm
12v constant power-tapped into the red wire from the ignition harness
RED / white channel 2, 200mA output-left alone

from the kit, it also has a wiring harness that doesnt have instructions, as odd as it is. its called the "remote start auxiliary harness wiring", i left this alone cause i have no idea where these are needed to be connected to(again manual has NO instructions included). heres what they are:
blue- to be connected is a (-)200mA Accessory relay trigger
pink-to be connected is a (-)200mA Ignition relay trigger
purple-to be connected is a (-)200mA starter relay trigger

if ANYONE has any clue to what i just typed, please let me know what im doing wrong in regards to the remote start aspect. thanks alot for your help.

Replies:

Posted By: kaezoo
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 7:57 AM

Somewhere in there, I noticed that you grounded the hood pin wire. When the hood pin wire sees ground, it prevents the remote start from working.

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:01 AM

really? i thought you could use a ground to 'fool' the remote to think it is connected to the hood pin switch. call my dumb, but where is the pin switch? is it the metal cable where u'd lift/yank the plastic tab to open the hood?

Posted By: 97f150ext
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:29 AM

yeah just take the hood pin wire off ground and you shouldnt have any more problems. might have to program but other than that should work fine.

Posted By: bazzgazm
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:33 AM

Is it just me or did he just call this a remote start AND security system =)
Hope that's not what you are relying on to prevent theft.

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:34 AM

you mean the wire from the remote? where is the hood pin wire from the car if thats what you're saying? posted_image

where would be the hood pin switch on my car btw? around the DKP or in the engine bay and what color? also what about the "remote start auxiliary harness wiring"? should i do anything with that?

Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:43 AM

the 160 should've come with a hood pin to add on. if you have a light under the hood, you can test it with a DMM to see if it's neg trigger and tie it in. easiest to just add the viper's. my notes don't list a factory hood pin for your vehicle

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:53 AM

yea i was gonna say, so what should the hood pin look like when with the 160 i bought and importantly how should i wire that posted_image

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 11:28 AM

im not sure if i connected as i should of, when i press the button on the keyless to initiate the remote start, nothing happens, nothing cranks.

Posted By: 97f150ext
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 5:15 PM

the hood pin switch is ground when the hood is open, idle when the hood is shut. to make sure you have everything else hooked correctly and programmed right, just unhook the wire from the hood pin and try remote start to see what happens. if the car starts and runs properly, then you need to fix the hood pin. if nothing happens still, you have other problems that you need to search for.

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 9:27 PM

97f150ext wrote:

the hood pin switch is ground when the hood is open, idle when the hood is shut. to make sure you have everything else hooked correctly and programmed right, just unhook the wire from the hood pin and try remote start to see what happens. if the car starts and runs properly, then you need to fix the hood pin. if nothing happens still, you have other problems that you need to search for.

call me dumb, but where i was under the impression my car didnt have a hood switch, but someone said that the 160xv series came with one. i dont know how it looks, again im more of a visual person, if you could attach a pic with your reply, that'd be awesome or a link. that way i'll have more of a general knowledge of what i am suupose to do. also, about the auxiliary wire harness, i didnt attach any of those wires, should they be connected somewhere around the ignition harness?

Posted By: kaezoo
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 11:07 PM

The auxillary harness is used when you need to add more relays to power additional ignition, starter or accessory circuits. You should not need to use it in that vehicle.

The hood pin that comes with the 160XV looks like a brass threaded post with a plastic pin poking out one end and a spade terminal on the other. Unless the plastic pin is pushed down (by the hood) the terminal makes contact with the metal post, which is meant to be installed into the metal under the hood. When the hood goes up, the terminal is grounded, and the hood pin wire attached to the terminal is grounded, which prevents the remote start from activating.

Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 11:56 PM

looks like one of these:

https://www.autotoys.com/x/catalog/PINSWITCH___HEAVY_DUTY_FOR_CAR_ALARM_p_305.html

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 4:36 AM

ok, i kinda had an idea of what it was, but unsure of of it and how to actually wire it. from the remote there's also a blue/white wire that it instructs also be connected to the pin switch besides the wire to be grounded, should i connect the blue/white wire between the 2 washers along with the wire thats grounded?

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 4:41 AM

also, the pin switch would be placed in the engine bay. it'll lie somewhere where' its being pushed down constantly to let the remote know that the hood is closed, and when the hood is opened, the pin lifts up and the engine gets shut off, is that correct?

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 3:42 PM

*bump- please let me know would be the correct way of installing the pin switch as questioned above posted_image

Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 3:54 PM

Jesus....

Okay. The hood pin switch gets the long, thin grey wire. The pinswitch itself gets mounted either on a bracket attatched to the firewall or fender or rad cradle. Or, there may be a convenient lip you can drill a hole into, mount the switch, attatch the wire with the supplied terminal onto the switch.

The blue white is an additional, programmable OUTPUT from the unit. Don't ground it out... it is a grounding output. Use it to trip a relay or bypass module.

And you wonder why DEI doesn't warranty their products when the backyard guys get ahold of them....

Gus

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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......

Posted By: fst100
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 9:18 PM

gus1, thanks for the info. i'll go at it, this coming weekend.