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Clifford LCD remote recalled?

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=73822
Printed Date: May 08, 2024 at 9:12 PM


Topic: Clifford LCD remote recalled?

Posted By: jonchos
Subject: Clifford LCD remote recalled?
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 10:50 PM

Thank you for looking.

I have purchased a Clifford rs3.5 or rsx3.5 (can't remember exactly right now) but it came with the older LCD version of the remote controls, the white one with grey in the back. I have heard that DEI was replacing this remotes for free, but I do not know if this is true or not. Anyone knows what is the deal? Do I contact DEI myself and send it in, or do I contact my local dealer and have them send it for me?  I do not have a receipt of the purchase of the alarm(ebay), the remote is brand new, never used. Thank you very much .




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Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 11:45 PM
Contact your local DEI dealer to see if they have recieved the offical recall notice.If not,then call DEI itself.

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"ole blake"




Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 11:47 PM
Well I am not sure if it is a recall or just a replacement for the old stylse since they were bad I guess.




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 12:17 AM
Still doesn't hurt to make a phonecall..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 11:59 AM
the RSX3.5 was never shipped with the old Gen 1 remote... i would talk to the dealer you bought it from... the RS 3 was shipped with the old remote, but thats because it was an old model.... and i am not aware the Directed ever had a free "upgrade program" on those remotes....

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: justtegit
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 12:23 PM
well the RSX 3.5 remote sucks ass anyway....the vibrate function stopped working on mine in less than a year, and now the LCD command confirmations only work about 1/3 of the time.  So, 2/3 of the time I will arm my car but the LCS still indicates unlocked, even though I can clearly see the car arm itself....I have spoken to several others with this problem too...they need to recall the carbon fiber remotes too




Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 8:16 PM
Well I have never heard anything about the carbonfiber looking one. I use that one myself and it works great, with the exception that sometimes when I arm the car right after I shut the door, the remote will give me another beep and will signal the sensors 1 and 2 on the screen, but no extra tone in the car siren at all. If I wait like 6 seconds after I close the door to arm the car, I will not get any of that.
I have heard about the old white ones, they say they suck. I think I am just going to keep mine and use for back up in case I ever need to replace my carbonfiber looking one.




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 04, 2006 at 9:04 AM

justtegit        have you tried unplugging the antenna connector at the antenna and leaving it for 5 minutes and then replugging it in?  this will re-synch the antenna and likey correct the 2-way communication problem you are having.... i have sold dozens (if not now into the hundreds) of the Clifford Responder units RSX3.5 & 1.5 and never had to replace a remote yet.....

you've heard it from me before, but..... it's a poor musician who blames his instrument....



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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 04, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Thank you for the antenna tip. I will do that today and I will let you know if it worked.





Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 05, 2006 at 8:34 AM

It didn't work. Disconecting the antenna did not solved the problem. 

Maybe the vibration of the door, when I close it, makes the shock sensor be in motion, and when I arm the car during this time, the alarm bypasses it. The shock sensor should be number two in the LCD remote right? I have a glass brake sensor aswell (just some info on what add-on I have in this set up) and this should be sensor number 1 on the LCD remote correct? you think this might be it?





Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 8:29 AM
the antenna tip was for another poster... if you noticed i addressed the tip to him.....  it would not apply tothe problem you are having....    the way for you to narrow down which trigger is giving you a problem is to disconnect one and then the other and arm the alarm right after exit... you'll soon narrow down the problem piece and should be able to develop a workaround...   

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 9:46 AM

The thing is that sometimes is sensor 2 and then sometimes is both, 1 and 2. Sensor 2 is the shock sensor and sensor 1 is the glass brake.

I don't care anymore, I can live with it. Waiting 6 seconds after closing a door to arm the alarm is not going to kill me, hahaha. Thank you for everything though.





Posted By: justtegit
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 10:04 AM

kgerry - like i said I have heard of a number of people with this problem - includiong a professional installer.....just becasue you havent heard of  problem does not mean that it doesnt exist....

think about it logically...if the code hopping was out of sync the remote just straight up wouldn't work...the car wouldnt arm at all....furthermore it would simply never work until it were manually resynced, it wouldnt intermittently work every other day with no rhyme or reason as to when it does or doesnt work. 

but like i said, my problem is NOT that it it isnt communicating, because the car arms/disarms like it should...AND the remote does not beep three times and blink the  "No return signal recieved" indicator....that means that the remote DID in fact receive a return signal.  so by process of elimination...dun dada dun...is the remotes LCD not changing for some reason....NOT the antenna....

as I have said before - it is the smartass that always ends up looking like a dumbass





Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 12:27 PM

just offering a suggestion as to the 2 way comminucation problem... as opposed to it acting as a 1 way now....

but hey, with your worldly knowledge and the impressive 26 posts of yours, you obviously dont need the help or suggestions of anyone here.... in fact i'm surprised that you lowered yourself to even asking for help in the first place.....   just thought you "might" like the suggestion of a DEI dealer that has sold hundreds of responder units.... but you obviously know more than i do and i apologize for "offering" you any suggestion at all.....



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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: jonchos
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 2:02 PM
Hey guys, no need to fight over this.




Posted By: justtegit
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 2:52 PM

sorry to hijack your thread jonchos...

kgerry - my being annoyed was attributed to the needless comment at the end of your post about it being the bad musician not the instrument.  anyway, I am in no way 'not taking suggestions', but I wanted to clear up that I have in fact logically thought it out, and by process of elimination ruled out the antenna already.  i appreciate you trying to help out, but the antenna is not my problem....besides, as far as the remotes being shhhty...no mater what this pagin problem ends up being, there certainly is NO REASON why the vibrate motor should have died after sucha  short period of time.  I have disassembled the remote and doen a basic visual inpection and all of the connections seem secure still....but anyway while I havent heard of anyone else with the vibrate problem (doesnt mean there is noon else, I just havent heard of it), I definitely have heard of others with the same paging issue as me, and it occurs long after the installation took place (ruling out installation error)...





Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 07, 2006 at 3:48 PM

i have had about 2 dozen customers now with the RSX 3.5 where the remote stops acting as a 2 way yet works fine as a 1 way... it has happened on my own RSX3.5 on my own vehicle... the doors lock and unlock fine but the remote doesnt show the activity... just beeps like it's out of range, even when i'm standing right beside it..... when the antenna is unplugged ( i usually do it right at the antenna) and left for 5 minutes and re-connected everything works fine again... all 2 way communication is restored..... this has happened to me over a year after i installed it in my own vehicle....  it's just like re-synching a modem......

have never had a customer complain about the vibrate feature not working although i dont know how many of my customers actually use that feature ( i know i dont )... the V mode, just like the display illumination, is defaulted OFF so every time you replace or remove the battery it shuts that feature off.... is it "possible" that you have vibrate and/or paging programmed off?



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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: myblugt
Date Posted: March 07, 2006 at 4:18 PM
From an idiots point of view...(I have never seen a clifford up close.)

If the ant. connector you speak of is a 3 or 4 wire like on an autopage, could it be a bad connection on 1 of the contacts?

I would think it uses 2 wires for tx and 2 for rx and the tx is not making contact until you reconnect it?

Just a thought....




Posted By: justtegit
Date Posted: March 07, 2006 at 8:46 PM

kgerry - cool thanks for the info....you shoulda mentioned that you have actually solved the problem in your first post, i thought u were just guessing...lol....so how long does your antena solution work for?  does it eventually stop working again? do you often have to disconnect the antenna?

my problem has a slight difference though.  MOST of the time that it doesnt work properly the "out of range" beeps and indicator do not go off....yours DO...my problem is also VERY intermittent....like i said it will work sometimes and not others (i always arm the car within 20 feet or so, so range isnt ever an issue)..i will try out the antenna thing tho.  The only thing is, I reall have no way of knowing immediately if that solved the problem since it works intermittently anyway....only time will tell...if I go about 3-4 weeks without any problem then I will be pretty satisfied that it is fixed...wow that sucks

as far as the vibrate mode being turned off...no, i wouldn't be THAT stupid...every time I change the battery I go into program mode and turn the backlight and vibrate back on...you can see 3 squiggly lines confirming the vibrate mode is ON...i actually still keep it in vibrate just becasue otherwise it beeps with every button press and that annoys me.

thanks for the antena tip...

mybluegt - nice thought, I am not sure we would need an IC diagram from Clifford probably...and I am sure those are probably not easy to get...but i guess its possible





Posted By: myblugt
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 8:20 AM
I was talking about the ant. wire connector where it plugs into the module and/or ant. assuming they are similar to an autopage. Not an IC.




Posted By: justtegit
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 10:09 AM
yea i know, but in order to know what each wire does we would need access to the circuit diagrams from Clifford is what i was saying thats all...




Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 5:02 PM
Welll..... the red wire is 12V. The black wire is ground. The green and blue wires are data Tx and Rx.

Kevin:

You know the funniest thing about people that complain on the internet about their non working products? They never seem to want to go to the local authorized dealer for the install in the first place, they won't buy their parts from a dealer, yet they seem to want all of us dealers to fix them magically over a computer.

Jonchos:

Face it..... you bought an almost 3 year old, NOS remote off the net. You prolly got a good deal on it. Guess what. Your local dealer probably has the new versions in stock. The local dealer will easily warranty that very remote you just bought from them for a period of one year from date of purchase, without any problems. The price, at your local dealer, isn't really that bad. Remember, for that price, you are also getting a service. Service doesn't come for free......

Okay, my rant is over....... have a day gentlemen, have a day....

Gus


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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......





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