96 grand am remote starter prob
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: July 26, 2025 at 8:06 AM
Topic: 96 grand am remote starter prob
Posted By: hudd4473
Subject: 96 grand am remote starter prob
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 3:22 AM
Car starts the stops running seconds after it stops cranking........wondering if there is a IGN. 3 wire maybe......its a crimestopper remote start plus alarm.......the instuctions say something about GMs haveing a white or green wire in the ignition harness......what should i do ..........anybody ever have any problems like this i thriple checked my conn.s they r all good......please help fast
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 8:43 AM
There is a WHITE second ignition wire that requires connection. Also, you have Passlock I in this vehicle that you have to bypass.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 9:45 AM
are you sure there is passlock becuase there is no chip in the key and no security light on the dash. should i connect that white wire with the other wire i have connected to the ignition 2 output of the car starter.
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TJ
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 10:17 AM
The Passlock is not on theshaft of the key rather embedded into the head of the key. The information that I have says that it has the Passlock I system, but you never know. From what you re saying about the start problem, it sounds like a Passlock problem. Make sure that the 2nd ignition wire on the RS unit is a full 12 volt output with no limiting amperage feed. Some systems have a 2nd ignition wire with a 6 amp limit to their output while others have a full 2nd ignition output without a limit of amps. If the wire is only a (-) trigger for a relay then you will need to install a relay. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 12:13 PM
ok got that problem covered thank you very much ....do you think it would be posssible to give me a diagram of how i wold connect ign 2 and ign.3 to a relay using my ign2 output of the starter to activate the relay ........im bad w/ relays i have 5 pin and four pin relay to use which ever one i need......thank you TOM
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TJ
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 4:29 PM
Use the 5 pin relay but make sure that it has 30, 86, 85, 87 & 87a on the posts. This is a SPDT relay rated at 30/40 amp. Wire up the relay like this for any extra IGN wires or ACC wires: - 86 & 87 : 12 volts fused constant
- 85: GROUND OUT WHEN RUNNING
- 30: Output to 2nd or 3rd ignition
- 87a: NOT USED
------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 4:43 PM
what will ground out when running....... now i installed the bypass module and the car doesnt even start like it used to it just cranks (still starts w/ key thou) this is a design tech module........heres how its hooked YELLOW /GREEN-----yellow --at ign. switch GREEN / WHITE -----12+ constant gray/black-----to bulb test wire gray -------black passlock harness wire white------yellow passlock wire---engine side yellow/red-----yellow passlock wire----key side PLEASE HELP ME ------------- TJ
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 11:14 PM
remote starter doesnt work.......car starts then two seconds after cranking the motor shuts down .......hooked up as follows.... Crimestopper alarm/ remote starter 2 constant 12v --- Battery Ignition ---- Pink wire -----ign.switch IGN.2----- White wire ----- Ign. switch Ign.3 ------ not used no Ign. 3 on my R/S ACC----- ORange ---- Ign. Switch Tach----- WHite wire on Ign. module (2.4 engine) Brake Switch ------ Blue Starter ----------- Yellow ---- Ign. switch Used a passlock 1 Bypass module .......designtech model......Used (-) output on R/S to controll module.....(says in the Book to the starter to use that wire, Kind of like another Ign. Output) Car runs fine w/ the key starting it. ------------- TJ
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 01, 2003 at 11:22 PM
I have three Ign. wires .......is it possible to use my (-) feed to ground one then use the same one to ground out a relay......or should i use my Ign. 2 which is 12+ to trip two relays to switch Ing. 2 and Ing.3 .......could that be why the car is stalling out........anything would help .......the wiring diagrams say there are 3 ign. wires at the switch but my R/S only has wires for Ign. and Ign.2......
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TJ
Posted By: Ohmz
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 4:55 AM
What kind of passlock bypass module did you use? Make sure to hook up the bulb check wire coming out the power harness... and your only gonna use the yellow and black wire from the key cylinder
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My Personal Installer Note: Connectors are easy, neat, and professional. But do you know how to crimp properly?
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 8:15 AM
Below is a wiring diagram for your car. There is only 2 IGN wires and 1 ACC wire. Wire a relay like I had from above ONLY IF the second ignition output of the alarm is a (-) trigger for a relay. If you have (+) IGN 2 wire, then wire it straight up to the 2nd ignition wire on the Pontiac. The ACC wire should be connected to the HVAC turn on wire from the RS unit. The Passlock I units looks like it's wired correctly. | ITEM | WIRE COLOR |POL| WIRE LOCATION |
| 12V|red |+ |ignition harness |
| STARTER|yellow |+ |ignition harness |
| IGNITION|pink |+ |ignition harness |
| SECOND IGNITION|white |+ |ignition harness |
| ACCESSORY|orange |+ |ignition harness |
| POWER LOCK|blue |+ |drivers kick panel |
| POWER UNLOCK|white |+ |drivers kick panel |
| PARKING LIGHTS +|brown | |steering col. switch |
| HEADLIGHTS|yellow |+ |steering column switch |
| DOOR TRIGGER|grn/blk, lt.blue *2 |- |drivers kick-pass kick |
| TRUNK/HATCH PIN|ORANGE / black |- |at light in trunk |
| TACHOMETER|*1 | | |
| SPEED SENSE|dk. GREEN / WHITE | |at chime module |
| BRAKE WIRE|lt blue |+ |at brake switch |
| HORN TRIGGER|black |- |steering column switch |
| WIPERS|purple |+ |steering column switch |
| LF WINDOW UP/DN|dk. blue - brown |A |LF window motor in door |
| RF WINDOW UP/DN|lt. blue - tan |A |drivers kick panel |
| LR WINDOW UP/DN|dk. green - purple |A |drivers kick panel |
| RR WINDOW UP/DN|lt. green - purple |A |drivers kick panel | Notes:
NOTE: This vehicle has the passlock immobilizer system. Use DEI part number 555t or 555L when adding a remote starter system. *1 The V6 tach is PURPLE / white at the coil pack on the top rear of the motor. The 4 cylinder tach wire is white in a 16 pin plug on the top right side of the motor. *2 You must diode isolate these wires.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 9:49 AM
I am using a design tech module.......heres how its wired...... YELLOW /GREEN-----yellow --at ign. switch GREEN / WHITE -----12+ constant gray/black-----to bulb test wire gray -------black passlock harness wire white------yellow passlock wire---engine side yellow/red-----yellow passlock wire----key side ------------- TJ
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 9:58 AM
No where in my R/S instuctions does it say to use diodes on the tach wire ......it says it needs a A/C current wire.....but the Starter did come w/ 2 diodes for power locks (part number on them IN4001) can i use those if i need to use diodes.......and second can you give me in detail how i would hook these up.....B/C like i said the booklet says nothing about diodes it just tells ya you can use a wire from coil, crank or cam sensor thats it ........Do you think this could be why it shuts down after it stops cranking......thanx for the help
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TJ
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 10:15 AM
Where does it say that you need diodes inline withthe tach signal ?? The above notes tell you that *2 You must diode isolate these wires. These are for the door trigger wires. What model number is the design tech module ??
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: Ohmz
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 10:29 AM
make sure you have the correct bulb test wire... it should test ground only when crancking the engine. There are a couple of 20 gauge black wire on that harness. so make sure you grabbed the right one. oh also, I didn't notice any trigger wires on for module on the list you provided. There should be a wire to activate the module from the alarm. I'm not too familiar with this module.
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 11:00 PM
The bulb test wire was the black wire on the Ign. Harness......yes it is hook to a (-) output......my booklet says it can be used as another Ign. out or as an Acc. output.......i was talking to someone at the local alarm shop today an they said my problem isi tapped into the tach wire out at the Ign. module instead of at the computer........I went by the diagrams posted on ths site and it says to use the white wire at the module.........also i used the tach find mode on my R/s an it says its a good tach wire.....
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TJ
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 11:03 PM
i dont see what iut matters where you tap into it its all the same wire.....just wanted to run that by ya like i said all it does is crank and then run for 2 seconds the shuts right down and the R/S gives it two more tries to start then stops
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TJ
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 02, 2003 at 11:10 PM
im sorry i thought you said i had to diode ISolate the tach wire which didnt make sense b/c the R/S needs an A/C signal........Well the bypass module numbers are already gone out to the garbage andthe module is mounted and the car isnt here right now soo the bookelt to the module is for the 20402, 27402, and the 29402.......they must all be pretty much the same as for wiring b/c it dosent say to wire any differnt for each one.....i didnt use diodes anywhere in this install.......
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TJ
Posted By: Ohmz
Date Posted: January 03, 2003 at 7:32 AM
I had the same crazy problem with a job I did over the weekend. I figured out that the thin blk wire in the power harness was the correct wire.. not the one in the ignition harness.(there were 2 harness in the vehicle I did) I used the 555L module by DEI.. so I don't know if it will matter with the module you are using.
Posted By: hudd4473
Date Posted: January 03, 2003 at 7:55 AM
i used the thinest blk wire in the ign. switch harness.......one connector had on thin black one and i believe the other had 2 thin black ones.......well since the module is in the car and the car isnt here i dont know what model the bypass is bt the booklet i have on it is for model 20402, 27402, 29402 they must all be wired the same ........designtech brand .......thanx for the help
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TJ
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