RS factory alarm disabling
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=74789
Printed Date: July 02, 2025 at 8:24 AM
Topic: RS factory alarm disabling
Posted By: amp1
Subject: RS factory alarm disabling
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 8:29 AM
First I want to say wow! What a great site! I've read through quite a bit of the threads looking for the answer to my question, and although I haven't found it (actually maybe I did but just didn't recognize it) I'm impressed with the vast knowledge of the posters and how helpful everyone is. Kudos! Now for my question: I just bought a Mopar (DEI) RS for my 2005 Durango. I was talking to a guy who installs these things and he mentioned that I'll need to make sure to either A) wire up the RS to unlock the doors thus disabling the factory alarm or B) pull a pin somewhere (I'm unclear about this as he was talking above my knowledge level) in order to disable the alarm. I was under the impression that the transponder ring served this purpose but now I'm not so sure. Does the ring serve this purpose and if it doesn't how do I go about wiring the RS properly so the alarm is disabled when I use the RS? Of course the purpose being to keep the alarm from sounding and cutting off the engine after it starts. For the sake of security, I'd prefer that the doors stay locked when the RS is used until I choose to unlock them. Thanks, Chip
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Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 9:06 AM
I am not familiar with the Mopar branded remote starting systems, however...the wiring diagram for your 2005 Durango can be found here. You will need a bypass module for your factory transponder based antistarting system. Chrysler calls this system Sentry. According to the techsheet the alarm cannot be interfaced via negative/positive triggers (sheet says it only operates via the factory remote). It would make the installation easier if you used a data based integration device that includes door lock interfacing, factory alarm interfacing, and includes a way to bypass the Sentry key. One type of module that would do this can be found here. You can install the system without one of these, but you will need to put a key-in-a-box or similar to bypass the Sentry system which would cause you to lose a key or purchase another key.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 9:40 AM
I probably should have mentioned that the kit has what they refer to as a SKREEM interface which the transponder ring and the dipole antenna plug into. Is that what you're talking about? I looked at the module link you provided and it looks similar to the SKREEM module.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 9:46 AM
Correction! The wires that plug into the SKREEM interface module are the transponder Antenna loop) wire and a 4 pin connector from the kit's harness. Sorry. Nothing like erroneous info to really confuse the matter.
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 11:23 AM
OK, I believe SKREEM stands for Sentry Key Remote Entry Module. Which is what chrysler calls their factory module. Do you have a make/model number of the starter/bypass that you are attempting to use? If we could see the installation manual it may help to clarify some things.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 2:03 PM
According to the installation manual, the part numbers are as follows: The unit Mopar referres to as the PC-12 module is part number 82208859. It holds the various fuses, has the plugs on the back and receives the clip in unit called a DNA. The RS kit box contains the wiring harness, the DNA, the RS remote fobs, dipole antenna and hood switch. The final box contains the SKREEM module and is part number 82209083. Somewhere in all those boxes is a loop antenna which wraps around the ignition key switch and plugs into the SKREEM module. The manual says that when programming the SKREEM 2 programmed sentry keys are required. The process of programming the SKREEM involves a number of steps, among which are inserting one key, turning the switch to "on" position for several seconds, switching the key off and removing it, keeping it more than 2 feet away from the ignition switch then inserting the other key and turning the ignition switch to the on position again. After approx. 10 seconds the dash theft-security light will start to flash and a single chime will sound to indicate that the system has entered "customer learn" programming mode. At this point the switch is to be turned off, the key removed and kept at least 2 feet away from the ignition switch. The theft security light should turn off. There are some more steps but perhaps what I've just descibed will tell you enough to know if this is the alarm bypass set-up. Thanks, And yes you're right, SKREEM does stand for what you said. Chip.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 2:07 PM
Daggonit I forgot to give the number for the RS kit. It's 82208863
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 3:44 PM
I cannot seem to find an install manual online for either piece. However it looks to me as if the kit with the ring is just the Sentry bypass unit and not a data integration piece. As far as programming the unit is concerned, the sequence you mentio there is how you program another key to the vehicle so it is the same as with the module I referred to earlier. It seems though it does not offer doorlock interfacing and from the pictures I have seen it is just a one button remote start that does not offer doorlock integrating.
I am going to go out on a limb here because I cannot verify if it is the same for a Durango. I know for a fact in the 2005 Caravan if you have a transmitter built into your key and you program a valet key (grey key without remote built in) or the sentry chip that is built into your bypass, your factory remote controls will still work when the vehicle is running. But, if you use a key that has the remote built in for the bypass none of your factory remotes will work once started. So, since you already have to carry a remote (it's built in) then interfacing with the doorlocks is not really necessary. You would carry a second remote to start the vehicle and continue to use your factory remote for the keyless portion. The keyless would not work from as far away as the remote start, but this is not really too important. I believe this would work the exact same on your Durango.
Keep us posted.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 4:11 PM
Hey Twelvoltz, It works! Regarding the second part of your statement, you're correct; the RS remote is a single button and operates only the starter. The keys do have the built in lock and unlock switches. I can't confirm the valet key situation because I have only two sentry keys, but that's an interesting aspect, and I have a feeling you're probably correct as the valet key is less interactive than the sentry keys. But here's some info you might find useful, the loop antenna and SKREEM interface DO bypass the factory alarm. I know because my starter is working properly (so far, fingers crossed), as well the alarm works properly. And when the RS starts the vehicle it does not unlock the doors, which is what I wanted. I reckon one advantage of using both a factory RS and alarm is that they're fully compatable with one another and need no mods or extra switches, relays or what have you. Although I was able to figure it out myself I appreciate your prompt attention and I now have a really cool site to refer to for my future electrical/electronic endeavors. Thanks again for the help, Chip
Posted By: NowYaKnow
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 5:07 PM
"I just bought a Mopar (DEI) RS for my 2005 Durango"
Just to clarify the unit you have is made by Code Alarm for Mopar, not DEI. It uses the Code Alarm CA-420 transmitters, and the Code Alarm Power Code module. The OEM alarm on a durango is never an issue when remote starting because it won't trigger when it sees the ignitions on and a valid key. The only time you would run into an issue with the OEM alarm is when installing a remote start/keyless entry combo unit which even then isn't a big deal to get around. Looks like you got everything going, just wanted to throw out some extra info. Later,
Mike
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 5:24 PM
Amp...NowYaKnow hit it on the head with this one. Your system although labeled as a Chrysler piece is not made by chrysler and works exactly like any other aftermarket piece.
As far as the alarm arming and disarming issues, the factory alarm disarms if it sees the correct key when starting but will not disarm without the factory transmitter being used for door unlock or with a data based bypass. I am not trying to take anything away from the quality of the unit you purchased, I just wanted to clarify that this is how the vehicle works, not the fact it is a Mopar branded starter.
You have actually helped me out a little here too, it leads me to believe that many, if not all of the 2005 chrysler vehicles will behave in the same fashion. If you do a valet key or bypass that includes the sentry piece you do not have to integrate the doorlocks (unless you are looking for extra range). I think this would apply to any of the vehicles that come with a remote built into the key.
Thank you for responding to the thread as well, too many people post a question, get their response and never let anyone know what their final result was.
Posted By: john ogrady
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 5:33 PM
Just a note a lot of vehicles have a OEM alarm and anti-theft systems.These are two different systems.The anti-theft is the transponder Sentry key system.The alarm or some times called the perimeter alarm or contents alarm is usually dis-armed by a pulse ground or a postive pulse on the proper wire.With modern by-pass units they can handle both of these systems with one box.
Posted By: amp1
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 6:30 PM
Nowyaknow, I stand corrected. I was told by someone else that it was DEI, but i guess he was wrong. Thanks for the correction, I don't want to go out misinforming anyone. Twelve, glad to make any contribution I can. I think John made a valid distinction about the difference between the antitheft system and the alarm. In fact I got the RS installed and before I programmed the SKREEM module I tried the starter to see if it would at least start. I had expected that it would cut off as the SKREEM was not yet proigrammed and sound the alarm but it only cut off. I was wondering why the alarm hadn't sounded and Johns explanation would seem to answer that question. I get the feeling that these manufacturers are changing things all the time because in doing the programming the manual said that you should hear chirps or chimes at various stages or given operations but in fact I never had that happen. Instead the dash lights would flash and click. It was a bit baffling at first until I determined that the programming was taking place and the given number of beeps I expected to hear were replaced by an equal number of dash flashes and clicks. It's a wonder anybody can keep up with the times and not go a little nuts. lol Thanks again all. I've inquired about things on other boards and this board is by far the best I've come across.
Posted By: john ogrady
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 9:15 PM
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