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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: Does price include parts?

Posted By: mrcllusb
Subject: Does price include parts?
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 9:27 AM

My ride is going to be heading to the installation shop to get the windows tinted.So i asked how much it would cost to have them install my clifford since they'll have the car anyways.I was told is 50.00hr.Does that include parts or is that just labor?

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"ole blake"



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Posted By: stang351w
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 10:25 AM
more then likely it's just labour, but each shop is different, but $50/hr a bit much, i only charge $35.00/hr

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Tri County KustomZ
certified installer




Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 10:41 AM
Just to add another opinion, around here $50/hr is very reasonable for a product that you bring in off the street. The local shops here charge $65/hr (same as a car dealership) for product not bought from them and parts are additional.




Posted By: stang351w
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 11:13 AM
well...maybe i should raise my rates a little then   lol, nahh...$35 is average for here ther'es another company that charge's $30, but there work is only worth $15, i workede there for 1 winter doing starters and there installer they had befor me knows next to nothing, he don't even know how to build a proper box.

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Tri County KustomZ
certified installer




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 3:33 AM
Okay then.I have all the parts to include the relays..I'm just trying to decide since i'll be coming back home from another deployment and they'll have the car anyways to do the tints,might as well kill 2 birds with one stone..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 8:40 AM
I would ask for a written estimate as just giving labor rates is an open ticket, what if it takes  6 hours to install? Not trying to be skeptical but I can usually come within' 20 bucks or so on estimate, hate to see ya get burned.

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 8:48 AM
Agreed, just ask the shop if this includes parts & get a written estimate.We charge flate rate job prices but we also only charge $ 30 an hour for non-flat rate jobs and this includes additional parts as well for security & remote starter systems, but most of time if it's just screws or brackets, we absorb the costs into the installation. We don't nickel and dime the customers cause it's not worth it.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 9:16 AM
I gave em a call,and i was told that they need to see my unit before anything..So when i take it in to get tinted,they give me a better price..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 9:19 AM
Any of you installers shops near upstate ny?

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"ole blake"




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 12:01 PM
We charge 50 bucks an hour but I dont think I have ever actually charged anyone by the hour. I use flat rates for anything and if its product not bought from my store I always tell them I need to see it before I quote.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: bazzgazm
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 12:29 PM
Just to throw my 2 cents in, in virginia, an install is about 50-65$ an hour.
if you figure the average time vs. the price.
the remote start, keyless, alarm system install is about 200 dollars, figure 4 hours worth of work is what is slated down, and you're up to 50 an hour.
plus, parts.
that's where the real money comes in
74 dollars for a universal bypass installed
a part that takes 10 mins to put in, and costs 23.00...
not to mention in most cases you're paying the cost of the key.
so 35 bucks an hour is a steal if it's quality work. but i bet they just pad it out to 6 hours worth of work to even the $




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 8:24 AM
I could see if my alarm was a had 50 hookups.but i've only got 37.The only person it may take 6hrs do to this install is me and that's because i have all the time in the world and have a wife that likes to ask me about what i'm doing and what it does..This system i have should take 2 1/2 hrs tops for a professional.I did work at an install shop at one time for a couple months.Before i actually started working,i would spend the day there just watching the installers.From prep to completion..I'm a firm belive in researching before i step into anything..I know that there are some shops out there that will bs the jobjust to keep the meter going.I've been to places where i see the installers spend more time talking during an installation then they do working.If i took out the bs time i tell ya the install coud of been cut in half.Now i'm not saying that all shops are like this,but some are and customers like myself like to try and keep a hold on how long the meter keeps going.I'd rather be informed from research like form here then to go into a shop blind..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 10:38 AM
I don't think you have listed what kind of vehicle you have, or what model alarm it is. An average alarm/remote start install takes me 4-5 hours. Bypass modules are another $50-75. I would charge $200 labor if you brought your own product, and it was a product I was familiar with. If it was a crappy brand, I wouldn't install it. I would do a top quality install. The quality of my install could not be done in 2 1/2 hours.




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 11:00 AM
I've got a clifford arrow3 w/intellistart.Going in a 98 dodge intrepid with black key.Lets think about this from a consumers standpoint.As a business i understand you have to stay in business and get paid accordingly to your profession.But don't you think from a consumers standpoint when a customer brings you in lets say a good quality system and you quote 200.00.But you'll sell a system installed for 225.00 let's say.How do you think the consumer feels at that point.Trust me i understand from a business aspect,but sometimes the decisions a consumer is givin is just ridiculous.I would rather a business be honest with me and just say look to not lose money,i'm gonna charge you the same price it would cost me to if you bought one of my systems..I'm in the military and have a no bs kinda attitude,and i would rather you just tell me what your intentions are rather than to try and bs me with longwinded technicalities.Honesty is the best policy.Cuz if i get the feeling that ur trying to bs me and start tap dancing,i'm gonna dig deeper to see how long you wanna dance.That's the goo dthing about the military.If you get a business that's shady and service members have had problems with that business,you'll just get black listed..Which means you go on a list that is posted base wide for that area that tells military personel and family members to stay away from it..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 11:12 AM

A quality install for an alarm/remote start usually takes us 4-5 hours. $200 is generally what I charge for something like this, including parts on this vehicle.



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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 11:34 PM
Alright dude, if you have a shop in your area selling a good quality starter/alarm combo for 225 installed then let me know where it is cause Im going there. My shop has the entry level alarm starter combo's at 429 installed and the step up models at 599 installed. If I get a alarm starter brought in that I think is acceptable to put in a vehicle I will charge 175 for basic install and then charge standard pricing for add ons. Like 80 for a transponder bypass, 50 dollars for door locks, 40 dollars for trunk release, 30 dollars for starter kill, etc etc etc. These are the standard prices I charge regardless of where the unit comes from. I dont charge by the hour and I got to be honest with you, If I bring in your car and I tell you its gonna be 4 hours and I do it in 2 1/2, than be happy I got your car back to you faster than the book time, and on that same note if your car is booked for 4 hours and it takes 6 becuase of some kinda hang up, it doesnt matter if its a hang up on my end or the vehicle end or the product end, im not charging you more. This is to me the fairest way for me to do buisness and I have never had anyone complain about it.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:06 AM
mrcllusb, an alarm/remote start combo unit starts at $400 with me. Figure $200 labor, $200 product. I have no idea where you see alarm/remote starters installed for $225, but whereever it is they will be out of business real quick. My labor quote was not blown up and "rediculous" like you claim.      If you asked me to do a combo unit installed for $225 at my shop I would have asked you to leave because you are being absolutely rediculous and wasting my time. Ooh...I'm scared of your black list. Hopefully not all our service members are cheapos like you. From your previouse posts on this sight I actually though you may have had some experience in this industry. Now I see how clueless you really are.




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:21 AM
Here in upstate ny,a basic alarm/remote start unit starts at about 250.00 installed,and that's by a professional shop that understands the type of people that are in the area that they have their business.The shop is called installations unlimited in syracuse ny.Feel free to go to their website and check out there shop.One of the biggest and most well know shops in the area.They have yet to get one complaint from anyone i know that has had work done there.Very well known and a pleasure to do business with.But to have the cost of a basic alarm/starter unit in your shop to start at 400.00 is kinda high is what i'm saying.There should be a baseline and go up from there,but it seems that you're starting just about at the top and that's it..And to the consumer it's like ,"hey you can't afford it then oh well tough."I'm not doubting that your work is good,but your business attitude is like if the little people can't afford it then to bad..And as far as the blacklist goes it's not about price,it's about the quality of customer satisfaction.If your customer satisfaction sucks,then yes i'm gonna let my fellow service members and their families to stay as far away from your shop as possible period.It's the same concept as business around a military post.Most of them understand that there must be a military discount to stay in bussiness.If not then it's a we do for you ,but your doing nothing for us.Simple...

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"ole blake"




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:30 AM
If you dont mind me asking, what brand are these things. Evey single shop I have ever went to charged a minimum of 150 dollars for just the labour to put the unit in and the units are clearly worth more than 100 bucks, so thats why Im asking. If its like a bulldog or some other piece of junk like that then it would make more sense but for it to be a QUALITY product and be that cheap just makes no sense at all.

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Raven,thanks for being honest.That all that i'm looking for..If you say to me hey it's gonna cost me 175..then great i'm with you.But to say hey it's 50.00hr and it gonna take 4 hrs.Then it ends up taking 6 and i get charged for 6 when i come back,the first thing i get told is,"I know i told you 4hrs,but it took 6 so that's an extra 100.00,"i'm gonna be like wtf..That's your problem cuz you quoted me 4hrs..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:34 AM
The first unit i looked at was the audiovox aps-996a that was somewhere close to 300.00 installed..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 12:43 AM

mrcllusb wrote:

Raven,thanks for being honest.That all that i'm looking for..If you say to me hey it's gonna cost me 175..then great i'm with you.But to say hey it's 50.00hr and it gonna take 4 hrs.Then it ends up taking 6 and i get charged for 6 when i come back,the first thing i get told is,"I know i told you 4hrs,but it took 6 so that's an extra 100.00,"i'm gonna be like wtf..That's your problem cuz you quoted me 4hrs..

Im a very firm believer in sticking to what I quote. If I look at a vehicle in person, quote a price and then something comes up and it takes longer I absorb the cost involved. I have done several cars where I am doing basic decks and end up doing full amp bypasses for free because I miss quoted. However if I feel the customer is lying to me, than thats another story. Quick case in point, yesterday I have a guy show up who has a acura vigor that had a deck stolen out of it. Its his car and I asked him if there was any other work done to the car besides the deck that used to be in it. He said no. So I install the deck and when I get done the front passanger speaker doesnt work. I ask if it worked when the old deck was in the car and he says yes. Alright then, I try to bump the speaker and that doesnt work so, I pull apart the door and find that the speaker wasnt hooked up and the wires were not even close to being hooked up. I fix the problem there and it works fine, go figure. So the customer lied to my face on more than one ocasion so he paid for it in the end because I charged him extra. Its one of the rare ocasions where I charged more than quoted but thats because I cant provide an acurate quote without acurate information to start with.



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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 1:10 AM
Raven you sound like a shop i wouldn't mind bringing my vehicle to to get worked on.It's the shops that tell you one thing when you bring the car in,then when you come back to pick it up,they're telling you another.That was my whole point..To tell a customer one thing,then when it's all said and done,you just raped there pocket is just wrong.And the customer is stuck with having to pay extra because of something on your end is what some of these businesses are doing.As a professional,you generally know when a particular vehicle comes in if you've worked on it before what it's gonna take to complete that install.So that customer knows exactlyhow much it'as gonna cost.What if you quoted a price of 200.00,and all they brought with them is 200.00.Then when the job is done,you had to do something extra that cost another 50.00 and they don't have it.Their stuck without there vehicle until they come up with the money..Those are the types of places i can't stand.Atleast if it's gonna cost a lil more give the customer a call first,just don't do something figuring hey they'll just have to deal with it..Thanks for your positive feedback Raven i really appreciate it.Ya know Raven,if you did work on my vehicl,and you said to me i needed an extra part but since i didn't qoute it in the price i'm not gonna charge you,just due to the fact that you did that fo rme,i would pay for it anyways,just outta pure appreciation for you not trying to rip me off.But to not be able to give a customer a qoute before actually starting is kinda fishy.It leaves too much open air there for me..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 8:11 AM
I can tell you first hand what happens to those knid of shops they go out of business because bad experiences travel fast. I had a shop locally blow my remote start quotes out of the water. when all was said and done customers would get billed sometimes 2 times as much as they were quoted!!! That shopped folded up for its actions, I can't say I'll miss them as they make every shop look bad. I won't say I am perfect with quotes but if I quote something wrong I eat it. Not the customers fault, my bad, I would rather send out a customer that is happy and have them come back to buy more stuff and have it installed. 

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Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 8:26 AM
Thanks xtremej for running a legitimate business.I don't mind spreading the names of good shops that i've dealt with to help push customers there way.I'm sorry none of you guys have a shop close to where i am.I wouldn't mind driving an hour if i know it's gonna be done right..

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"ole blake"




Posted By: dualsport
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 1:18 PM
Word of mouth and references from prior customers is probably the best way to select a shop, as difficult as that might be, if you don't know anyone that dealt with them before.
A higher price quoted doesn't guarantee you won't get a strip-wrap-tape and run quickie job, but hopefully it tends to decrease the chance of getting one, if you have no other references to go by. I'd much rather deal with a shop that may charge more, but doesn't take shortcuts that might result in failures down the road; factor in the aggravation aspect and the cut rate might not turn out to be so appealing any more. No doubt there are variations in pricing, and there are some that may charge less for the same workmanship, but bumping the budget a bit gives you a better chance of success.





Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 7:51 PM
Oh and for anyone who doesnt know me, I work at Future Shop which for my american friends is a big box chain like Best Buy or Ciruit City, so see, were not all bad :)

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: mrcllusb
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 6:09 AM
Hey anyone of you guys close to Fort Drum NY?

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"ole blake"





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