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Max relays on 200 ma ground

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: Max relays on 200 ma ground

Posted By: jldet5
Subject: Max relays on 200 ma ground
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 6:23 PM

I currently have 2 window modules hooked up to my starter kill / anti grind wire.  It was the wire that worked best for how I wanted the roll up to work...active when locked and during remote start.  I am now thinking of adding a 30A relay to the same wire to kill / anti grind the starter.  Since the window modules are basically relays this would make a total of 3 relays hooked to the 200ma starter kill wire.  Is there a max?  I have now idea how much a relay draws.




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Posted By: cntrylvr79
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 9:26 PM
A standard bosch type relay will pull 150ma when active.  You can have an infinite number of relays on one wire so long as they're not active at the same time.  I've got the same setup in my car 2 window controllers and the starter kill and have not had anyproblems with anything not working properly.

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Posted By: jldet5
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 9:38 PM

cntrylvr79 wrote:

A standard bosch type relay will pull 150ma when active.  You can have an infinite number of relays on one wire so long as they're not active at the same time.  I've got the same setup in my car 2 window controllers and the starter kill and have not had anyproblems with anything not working properly.

Thanks,  thats good to know!

I suppose the DEI window controllers aren't really pulling that much and are not a true relay?

If they were, all three would be active at the remote start anti grind which would pull 450 ma?





Posted By: cntrylvr79
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 9:44 PM

yeah if i remember correctly when I tested them, they pulled something like 5 or 10 ma for a second during the initial roll up activation.  Don't qutoe mre though since this is going back at least 2 years.  Like I said though you shouldn't have anyproblems, since everything isn't always activated at the same time.  The start kill is only active with the ignition turned on and the window controllers are only pulling their current during the first second or so of rolling up.



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Posted By: jldet5
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 4:04 PM
Thank you!




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 4:39 PM
you can also, use one relay for the neg trigger, and use that to send a signal to multiple relays, so you only have one connected to the brain. then you will have a 30A output instead of 200ma

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Posted By: jldet5
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 4:47 PM

infinkc wrote:

you can also, use one relay for the neg trigger, and use that to send a signal to multiple relays, so you only have one connected to the brain. then you will have a 30A output instead of 200ma

Since this is the ground when armed starter kill wire the relay would draw 150 ma continuously when the alarm is set?





Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 4:54 PM
you are correct it will draw 150ma while its armed.

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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 5:07 PM
If you are adding a starter kill relay to the negative output when armed, it will only draw current when the alarm is armed and the ignition is on, if it is wired properly, and will not draw current the entire time the alarm is armed. The other side of the coil of the starter kill relay should be connected to an ignition lead, not constant 12 volts. If you connect it to a constant 12 volt lead, your battery may drain as quick as over night.

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 5:41 PM

Wow, you guys covered everything  :)

I don't think that the (-) input on the window module controls the relays directly, but I may be wrong.  The window modules have their own CPUs to control the relays and it wouldn't make much sense to drive the relays from an input like that, if there is a control system present. 

If in doubt, use your amp meter and find out how much each component draws.  Alternatively, you could throw a low current relay (solid stay or reed type) on the output.  Low current relays will pull 10-20mA and provide you with much more current capacity.



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Posted By: jldet5
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 7:03 PM
Thanks guys.  I'm just going to go with hooking up one starter kill relay and the window modules to the ground when armed starter kill wire.  It doesn't sound like I need a relay to run the relays which would draw too much power overnight or over a weekend.  Thanks for everyone's help.





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