New Viper 5900 1 Mile Unit
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Topic: New Viper 5900 1 Mile Unit
Posted By: newinstaller
Subject: New Viper 5900 1 Mile Unit
Date Posted: August 07, 2006 at 10:12 PM
New Viper 5900 1 Mile Unit
any expereince with it? Hows the range?
Are there the same problems like the Compustar SS with doodiety range?
Replies:
Posted By: mobilecustoms
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 6:31 AM
i have a 791xv can i just change the antenna o do i need to buy a new system? and remote?
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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 8:31 AM
I'm using one right now and I can guarantee minimum 3000 feet and have measured over 5000 feet!  We measured this is in major cities not some desert! In fact we needed to communicate via cell phones because we couldn't see the parking lights of the vehicle any more! You can't simply change the antenna and transmitter of a 564 platform....you need to change the brain as well. There will be two versions available: a 2-way LCD and a 1-way. Look for it soon! ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 9:53 AM
Big Dog, was the 5000 ft range transmit & receive or only transmit ?
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Both!
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Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 6:15 PM
hey Big Dog, did you find a noticeable time lag before the remote responds on yours? i find this new unit is very similar to the Valet 554R i had a few years back.. it's at least 3-4 seconds before the transmitter confirms the command... whereas my old one was pretty much instantaneous.....also, i noticed that the unit only pages (TX & RX ) about every 12 seconds or so as opposed to my old Matrix 3.5 that paged about every 2-3 seconds.... trying to extend battery life? the programming button on the back is a nice touch tho.... i hated trying to press all 4 buttons at the same time on the old one..... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: August 08, 2006 at 10:09 PM
It would be nice if DEI put an install guide for the new units on directechs.com.
Any other new features with the new units? I'm assuming they have all the features of the Viper 5000, just better range.
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 09, 2006 at 8:50 AM
Kevin, it's not as latent in responding as 554R but it is a second slower than Responder. It averages about one to two seconds between button press and response back however the instant I press the button, the car recieves the signal - no delay there. A feature I liked is that it's similar to 564 and 3301 platforms making it easy to swap for those wanting to do upgrades - and believe me, once they try SST, they will upgrade. What kind of range did you get in your neck of the woods? ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 09, 2006 at 9:35 AM
well i parked outside my shop and started walking... after about 6 blocks i tried it and it worked, after 8 blocks i tried it and it worked, after 10 blocks i tried it and it worked... at that point i decided unless i wanted to have to call a cab to get back to the shop i better start heading back.... at that point it was already at least 3-4 times the distance of my Matrix 3.5..... some new features i like are the programming button on the back, the option of adjustable diesel timer mode as opposed to wait to start input and FINALLY the adjustable cold start timer mode run time ( it always seemed too long to have the unit run for it's programmed run time every 3 hours) with the Bitwriter its programmable from 1-16 minutes and i have mine set at 5..... some of the features they incorporated into the 10.5 (Viper 5000) i am surprised are missing, like the ability to adjust the impact sensor via the remote...and as i mentioned it TX and RX's about every 10 seconds as opposed to every 3-4 on the old Matrix 3.5, but that is what really eats up the battery life so i am hoping i get more than a month out of a battery with this new unit.... overall i give it a thumbs up..... how about you? what city are you in? get the chance to test it in any heavy RF zones? ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: black cavy
Date Posted: August 10, 2006 at 12:50 AM
What do the remotes look like???? also does it have a temp feat on it like the autopages
Posted By: Hornshockey
Date Posted: August 10, 2006 at 2:13 AM
I'm assuming the FCC has something to say about this and they're only available in the great white north?
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Life moves pretty fast; if you don't stop and look around once in a while; you could miss it.
Posted By: captainzab
Date Posted: August 10, 2006 at 3:11 PM
black cavy wrote:
What do the remotes look like????
also does it have a temp feat on it like the autopages
https://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060530/latu018.html?.v=60
According to that, it looks exactly the same to me. ------------- Note: You Always Dont Get What You Pay For.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 11, 2006 at 9:06 AM
they look just like the old 791 / 3.5 remotes except that they have a taller antenna.... i find them actually just a touch too big for comfortably sliding into a back pocket
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: nubiannupe
Date Posted: August 11, 2006 at 4:22 PM
Hornshockey wrote:
I'm assuming the FCC has something to say about this and they're only available in the great white north?
I just read on DEI's website (I believe...) where they say:
"*FCC-Legal Remotes - No Risk of $11,000
Forfeiture penalties per violations!" ------------- G. Rick (aka; Tha "R")
**Peter North is my idol***
MECP-Certified 1st Class Installer
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: August 12, 2006 at 8:59 PM
They are 100% FCC compliant and will be hitting north of the border
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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer
Posted By: ringojam
Date Posted: August 12, 2006 at 10:58 PM
These are great but if yr a mile away and there is a violation to yr car how fast can you run a mile? I keep my car as close to me have a viper 5000 and the range is more than adequate for me.  ------------- Jamaica home of the worlds fastest man.
Posted By: Hornshockey
Date Posted: August 12, 2006 at 11:50 PM
Well obviously you wouldn't be able to reach the car to investigate an alarm in time. But that kind of range for activating the remote start would be fantastic!
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Life moves pretty fast; if you don't stop and look around once in a while; you could miss it.
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 14, 2006 at 9:28 AM
Range has always been an interesting conversation piece. Like ringojam said you better have the legs of sub four-minute-miler Steve_Scott to see who's messin' with yer ride when it's a mile away! But when you work downtown or at a factory or a mall it's reassuring to know that you did indeed lock the doors and armed the sytem by checking your remote without having to wait 'til your break to jog down to your car to confirm it. Even cooler to be able to remote start your car from inside the aforementioned locations without having to jump on a Segway and try to get to the door nearest your car and need to "chin" the remote praying that she starts (only to find out that you should have brought an ax with you cause it didn't start and it's encased in an inch of ice! - not cool). ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: juniorsti
Date Posted: August 14, 2006 at 9:44 AM
so where did you guys pick up the 5900 units? thanks...
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 14, 2006 at 9:53 AM
They're starting to ship as we speak and will be available shortly at official Viper/Clifford dealers in north-america. There were limited numbers sent to dealers across Canada for beta testing in mid-July. Check back often with your local shop.
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Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: juniorsti
Date Posted: August 14, 2006 at 9:58 AM
cool thanks
Posted By: Mike411001
Date Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:23 AM
ordered mine and should be installing it next week
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 24, 2006 at 5:33 PM
Beware, these babies eat batteries even faster than the old ones!! ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 25, 2006 at 8:34 AM
I'm using the same battery for a month and she's still goin' and goin' and goin' . . . It's the original GP battery that came with it. Mind you, it's on it's last leg but it's been showing this for over a week. I'm pushing it to the limit to see when it gives up (I have a spare) and how much I can push it beyond the "dead" point. Just like when the reserve fuel light comes on in your car it doesn't mean the tank's empty, it just means, "Hmm, maybe you should look into this." Here are some hard facts on power output of DEI TX's: 465T = 3 uW = 0.000003 watts (really old scatch code suckers) 471T = 16 uW = 0.000016 watts 475T = 30 uW = 0.000030 7701 = 116 mW = 0.116 watts !!! (The new SST 2-way TX) Power = Voltage x Current This is a fundamental law which cannot be circumvented = you want power (range,strength, distance) then it's gonna cost and batteries are the cost for range. Can't afford to change batteries every month or so? No problem - there's always HF - with a 150 foot range.  ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: August 25, 2006 at 9:03 AM
true, but from a consumer point of view... i drive to the shop in the morning and home again at night, so i lock and unlock my doors once a day and havent needed to R/S the vehicle yet (short of testing) and my battery is almost dead after about 3-4 weeks.... whats it going to be like for a guy who uses his/her vehicle a lot and R/S's it a few times a day?? he/she will be popping batteries in these babies every 1-2 weeks...... hey, i'm all for the pro's of these units but i'm not afraid to offer up the con's as well, after all i'm not on Directed's payroll..... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: costel
Date Posted: August 27, 2006 at 8:57 AM
how many sensors can be added to viper 5900?is it like viper 5000,with internal shock sensor, remote adjusted and 2 extra ports for 2 more sensors? can you help me with a anser? thank you
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tazz
Posted By: iskidoo
Date Posted: August 27, 2006 at 9:05 AM
I'm sure pretty soon they'll come out with a built in lithium ion setup with a night stand charger like cell phones. As it is now 75% of the people that see my 791xv remote say "Wow, that's a tiny cell phone, I didn't know they made them that small!"
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Steve G
Posted By: iskidoo
Date Posted: August 27, 2006 at 9:07 AM
Although a dc power jack built in that runs to a cigarette lighter cord wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe one of you DEI dealers should suggest it to the R&D team.
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Steve G
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 28, 2006 at 8:13 AM
To Costel. It's based on the 791 not the 5000 so it has NO on-board shock but rather two external ports.
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Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: ilvwhtgrls
Date Posted: August 29, 2006 at 2:58 PM
Big Dog wrote:
Range has always been an interesting conversation piece. Like ringojam said you better have the legs of sub four-minute-miler Steve_Scott to see who's messin' with yer ride when it's a mile away! But when you work downtown or at a factory or a mall it's reassuring to know that you did indeed lock the doors and armed the sytem by checking your remote without having to wait 'til your break to jog down to your car to confirm it. Even cooler to be able to remote start your car from inside the aforementioned locations without having to jump on a Segway and try to get to the door nearest your car and need to "chin" the remote praying that she starts (only to find out that you should have brought an ax with you cause it didn't start and it's encased in an inch of ice! - not cool).
Steve Scott is the man, I ran for him in college. I'm very interested in upgrading from my 791 ------------- Eye am so re todd did.
Posted By: costel
Date Posted: August 30, 2006 at 2:31 AM
thank you! Big Dog.
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tazz
Posted By: gixxerrob06
Date Posted: August 30, 2006 at 11:53 AM
any one know if this unit uses the same plugs as the 791 cause im thinkin about switching over to it from my 791
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: August 30, 2006 at 12:51 PM
Same connectors plus one extra for aux channels. Same antenna cable but different antenna.
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Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: Mike411001
Date Posted: September 04, 2006 at 4:34 PM
got mine installed. not getting good range. where did you all put your antenna and my blue led no longer blinks at all when armed. what could be the cause of that?
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: September 05, 2006 at 5:33 PM
who installed it??? antenna should be high in the middle off the front windshield..... is it poor line of sight range or poor inside a building range? mine workd from about 8-9 blocks line of sight, but i can't start my vehicle from inside the pub a block away..... no idea about the LED unless you pulled out the plug or a wire..... does it still show it arming or disarming on the remote? ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: Mike411001
Date Posted: September 05, 2006 at 8:57 PM
still shows the arming and disarm on the remote. A friend who installs alarms regularly installed it for me. Right now the antenna is by the headboard on the drivers side almost touching the headboard on the blue tint. so the blue tint on the top of the windshield makes a difference?
Posted By: mobilecustoms
Date Posted: September 05, 2006 at 9:55 PM
is the led burned out? try a new one
the antenna in thye blue windshield band can reduce range but not make it not work at all. i put the antenna if it is the small hx nest to thw rear view mirror wedge is possible or if it is the xhf antennas, in the bottom left of the windshield with the pole of the antenna aiming upwards. the responder antennas i put sometimes sideways on the side of the windsheild
make sure to STRETCH OUT the antenna cable also. this will make a BIG difference in range.
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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: September 06, 2006 at 8:16 AM
Broken solder at the LED can cause it to stop functioning (never happened yet but who knows....maybe it was tugged). Replace the LED with a known good one and you'll see what's up. It might also be unplugged from the brain. Antenna placement isn't critical on the 5900 because it's SST. Don't go undoing everything to move it 10 mm. Mine is sitting on the dash hidden by the wipers and I still get great range. ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: Mike411001
Date Posted: September 11, 2006 at 11:46 AM
The LED solder did come loose which is what caused my problem. And I followed the advie of leaving the antenna wiring loose and untangeled inside the dash and also I moved my antenna right under the rearview mirror mount and get MUCH better range. Couldn't be more happy with my alarm now, thank you for your help.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: September 11, 2006 at 12:57 PM
just another "quirk" about these units... my remote battery indicator dropped to DND "Damn Near Dead" after about 3 weeks...but has stayed there ever since..... it's about 6-7 weeks now and i'm still using the same battery.... it's just like the gas gauge on my old '75 Nova....... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: mobilecustoms
Date Posted: October 30, 2006 at 1:38 PM
doe4s anybody know if the viper 160xvl one way mile range remotes will work on the 5900?
I just installed it and i like it so far.
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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: October 30, 2006 at 2:45 PM
Yes but only if you use the antenna of the 160xvl on the 5900. If you're planning to use the Venom sst tx as a companion to the existing 7701 then forget it. One is ASK the other is FSK. ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: cecilia1445
Date Posted: December 05, 2006 at 12:05 PM
The range is good when you're in an open area, but the range is very poor when you're inside a building that has thick walls. What I usually do when I'm in school where there are windows is stand right next to one and try paging my car. However, when I'm inside the mall even though I'm only less than a quarter mile away from my car, 5900 sst can't communicate with the main module.
Posted By: m2736185
Date Posted: December 05, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Yes, same here. When im in school its good 1000 feet from one side of the parking lot to the other but if I park less than 500 feet away and am in the building.. no signal. I even tested it by blocks....i walked down about 5 regular blocks and it works but as soon as walk to the side towards any house the signal dies. I guess this one mile was not tested by dei in the urban areas
Posted By: dzlram
Date Posted: December 16, 2006 at 8:44 PM
Dumb question but how can I tell if I have the 5900 versus the pervious model. The dealer installed it...I asked for the 5900...I want to make sure they din not install the older model
Posted By: ainami
Date Posted: December 16, 2006 at 10:20 PM
Look at the back of your remote.
ID #should be be EZSDEI7701 and not EZSDEI1478
Posted By: dzlram
Date Posted: December 17, 2006 at 7:19 AM
Thanks! The one I have is EZSDE17701.
Posted By: dzlram
Date Posted: December 17, 2006 at 8:12 AM
I have a few questions. I am new to this so I apologize in advanced is they are dumb questions. I understand most of the features however there are two that I could use help with 1. Short-run/turbo….how does this differ from Valet take-over? I am assuming that short-run/turbo will turn off at some point and Valet take-over will keep running?
2. Timer mode – I am having a problem getting my arms around this one and I what circumstance I would use this feature.
3. Where can I get my hands on the “installation” instruction?
4. I assume there is a tool for programming some of the additional options…where can I get one?
5. I live in the NE…is there a recommended pause time setting for diesels? Currently I am set at 15 sec
Posted By: ainami
Date Posted: December 17, 2006 at 9:31 AM
Viper 5900 and 791 has the features except for the one mile range.
The install guide is the same.
Download the 791 install guide here: https://www.the12volt.com/uploads/files/791XV%20IM.pdf and all you questions are answered there.
Posted By: dzlram
Date Posted: December 17, 2006 at 11:11 AM
thanks for the Doc....Where can I get a bitlocker or even better what is the Pc interface?
Posted By: marin8703
Date Posted: January 06, 2007 at 3:04 AM
i would also like to know about the oc interface and where i can get one. thanks!
Posted By: bigfoot286
Date Posted: January 07, 2007 at 11:29 AM
What batterys do you guys use one your 791's? i r/s alot and use my remote alot and mine last atleast a month most the time longer. use the lithum ion ones. awsome. and i love that i can just switch out my 791 for the 5600, any one know when bestbuy will get the 5600s?
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