remote starter 05 sentra ser
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Topic: remote starter 05 sentra ser
Posted By: whitetsi
Subject: remote starter 05 sentra ser
Date Posted: August 12, 2006 at 1:52 AM
I have a 2005 Nissan Sentra SER specV and i am trying to install a remote starter unit (DEI Valet 561r). The problem that i am having is that i keep on blowing one of the two main 30amp fuses. I have installed this same remote starter on other vehicles like toyota and mitsubishi's and have never had a problem. the only difference is that i see is that nissan uses two starter wires. so what i first did was run two power wires from the battery to the power the unit and also put in a relay to power the second starter wire. No luck so i then used that purple wire off the remote starter unit as a remote wire to activate two seperate relays which are being used to power the two starter wires, but still no good. I have already swaped brains thinking it was that and rechecked all my connections and they are all fine. Also the car does start quite a few times when i replace the fuses but out of nowhere the fuse pops. Even during the winter on cold start ups it started fine sometimes and then other times it would pop the fuse. I am really stumped and would appreciate any help or ideas. Thanks in advance.
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 12, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Can't you use the main starter wire, then use the "purple" to trigger JUST the second starter.? When you blow the one fuse...is it the same fuse all the time? is it the input that powers the starter output. I am NOT a DEI fan...so I don't have knowledge of the harneses, colors, and their function etc. If your over loading the SAME circuit.....that helps find the problem.
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: August 13, 2006 at 12:12 AM
KarTuneMan wrote:
Can't you use the main starter wire, then use the "purple" to trigger JUST the second starter.?
When you blow the one fuse...is it the same fuse all the time? is it the input that powers the starter output. I am NOT a DEI fan...so I don't have knowledge of the
harneses, colors, and their function etc. If your over loading the SAME circuit.....that helps find the problem.
DEI uses a red wire and a red with white stripe wire as the two main power wires (with 30 amp fuses)to power the brain. The purple wire is the starter output wire. Yes its the same fuse. I had a prestige r/s on this car and the same thing used to happen. That was my first time using the prestige unit so I decided to use a unit that I have used before successfully and the same thing is happening.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 13, 2006 at 1:51 AM
Is the purple ...an aux out? (starter)
Posted By: smurf
Date Posted: August 13, 2006 at 4:13 AM
READ.. Look he gave you the answer himself. If it happened with the previous alarm, then it's not the alarm unit (brain) itself. You must have A) a short; or B) a relay wired wrong. Also did you check the draw of the vehicle with a MM?
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 13, 2006 at 11:02 AM
I guess my wording was incorrect....I know that the DEI stuff has negative outputs on that wild little relay pack, that you can us to trigger additional relays for (sec. starter, ign, etc.) Thats what I was refering to by "the purple wire"  oops...
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 12:09 AM
smurf] wrote:
READ.. Look he gave you the answer himself. If it happened with the previous alarm, then it's not the alarm unit (brain) itself. You must have A) a short; or B) a relay wired wrong. Also did you check the draw of the vehicle with a MM?
no i never got around to testing it with a meter. whenever i replace the fuse it works just fine. it just blows a fuse without warning. When i wired the relay just for the second starter wire it worked fine so i put the car back together. the fuse went the next day. then when i wired the two relays it worked just fine until the fuse went about two days later. but before i made any connections i checked and made sure they were the correct wires. The only thing i could think of is that i am not using a good enough ground. Does that make any sense at all??
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 1:26 AM
OK...lets talk about the ground.......where is it grounded...?
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 12:52 PM
its grounded to a bolt thats right under the steering wheel. the bolt is used for some kind of a brace that is from one side of the steering wheel to the other. its a horrible description, but its the best i can describe it. also the relays are being grounded to the same point.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 1:29 PM
Take your ground to the kick panal. And the "main" ground for the r/s let it stand alone, don't ground anything else with it. You can also get feedback from the 2 starter wires... Theres a trick with 2 relays....one for each starter wire. "Open" each starter wire with a relay triggered by ground while running. Each relay wired like so.Cut the starter wires, 87a gets the starter side of the start wire 30 gets the key side. 86 gets 12v fused, and 85 gets the ground while running. Now, from the remote start harness, make sure your start wires are on the starter side of the vehicles cut in half starter wire. (the relays you just wired pin 87a)
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 2:13 PM
KarTuneMan wrote:
Take your ground to the kick panal. And the "main" ground for the r/s let it stand alone, don't ground anything else with it. You can also get feedback from the 2 starter wires... Theres a trick with 2 relays....one for each starter wire. "Open" each starter wire with a relay triggered by ground while running. Each relay wired like so.Cut the starter wires, 87a gets the starter side of the start wire 30 gets the key side. 86 gets 12v fused, and 85 gets the ground while running. Now, from the remote start harness, make sure your start wires are on the starter side of the vehicles cut in half starter wire. (the relays you just wired pin 87a)
the r/s unit has one wire output for starter (purple wire). Should i use that same wire for both or should i go to the original idea and use a relay for each? Another thing is that i don't see a ground while running wire.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 16, 2006 at 1:17 AM
Those lousy DEI guys call it "status output".....translation....ground while running (under remote start conditions) On the unit your using there should be additional outs that are used to trigger other needs. Such as, start, accs, ign,.....etc. Use one of these (labeled, STARTER output) to trigger an additional relay for your second starter.....K
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: October 17, 2006 at 1:24 PM
Sorry for taking so long to reply, but i gave up on it for a while, but considering its starting to get cold i want to try and get the R/S running. Now I was looking at the install manual for my R/S and I finally see the second starter output (-). I just have it use it to trigger the relay.
Now should i use the main harness to from the R/S to power the primary starter wire and then the purple starter trigger (-) for the second starter relay or should i just use two relays and pretty much wire them the same using the purple starter trigger wire to trigger both relays and not use the heavy guage purple starter output wire at all?
Posted By: whitetsi
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 11:14 PM
ok well i redid and recheck all of my connections and its working for now. The fuse did pop the first few times but i found out it was because when i was checking the transponder bypass i accidently turned on the wipers so that was causing the fuse to pop. when i shut them off the car started up. the way i wired it was i used the heavy guage purple starter output wire to power on the normal starter wire then i used the aux starter trigger (- trigger) as the ground for the relay that powered on the relay for the 2nd starter wire. as i said before its working for now, i just hope it stays working.
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