remote start/alarm in 97 mountaineer
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Topic: remote start/alarm in 97 mountaineer
Posted By: jessemi82
Subject: remote start/alarm in 97 mountaineer
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 5:12 PM
I think I have everything hooked up right. The remote start won't start, it turns on the acc lights but doesn't turn the starter. I have checked with 4 wire diagrams from 4 different sources that say the starter wire is the re/light blue wire. When I check this wire with the DMM it shows 12v even if the key is not turned. Any help will be appreciated.
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JESSE
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Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 7:47 PM
yeah if that wire is showing 12v all the time are you sure your testing the right wire? where are you testing it? right at the ignition switch? im not looking at one of thesee cars right now but both places i checked for wiring diagrams say that these trucks are equipped with a pats security system.....trying activating the remote start and as soon as it flashes the parking lights throw the key in and turn it to ignition....if it fires up then you need to do one of two things...throw a key in a universal transponder bypass or get a second key and program in a nkr bypass......good luck
Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 7:59 PM
I have one wiring guide that says RED / light blue is the starter and one that says WHITE/ pink. Use a volt meter and check each wire at the ignition switch to confirm its operation. Thats the way we had to do it in the old days before wiring guides. To confirm whether or not there is a PATS system, simply place the key in the ignition cylinder when trying the remote starter. Once you get the truck to start every time, then remove the key. If it no longer starts, then you need an interface to account for the transponder in the key. There are ones which simulate a key and those that require you to sacrifice a key and put inside a box.
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sparky
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 8:54 PM
On a 97 it may have PATS, it's 50/50. Is there a theft light flashing in the lower right corner of the cluster? If you do it has it. This should go out when you remote start . If it doesn't you haven't bypassed the Pats correctly. RED / blue is the correct starter wire tho...
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:01 PM
I don;t think that this vehicle has the pats system because the key I use to start it is just a solid metal key, not a factory ford key with the black plastic on top. There are no WHITE/ pink wires coming from the igniton. The RED / light blue wire has to be it, but the dmm does not agree. I am thinking about just unhooking every wire and starting over. something has to be conflicting. maybe If I just unhook the wires that have to do with the remote start, then dmm the wire again to see if ti changes. I don't know, this is my first try and it is VERY FRUSTRATING. I won't stop until my car blows up or I actually get it!
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JESSE
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:08 PM
Are you getting the reading with the remote start wire connected? Disconnect it and try your DMM. I've had instances where a meter will give you a 12volt reading but just at a low amperage.
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:18 PM
ive read leads that were being backfed by other circuits........i also fixed a car one time where the 12 volt lead was wrapped and taped and one strand of wire poked through and was making contact with the ignition wire, couldnt believe i found it...
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:42 PM
I just got done tearing out every wire of the system I just installed, and that RED / blue wire still reads 11.7. I am going to look for the WHITE/ pink wire that sparkie noted. This is Crazy. I am looking at 4 diagrams all from seperate sources that show the RED / blue is the starter wire. It is impossible that it is.
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JESSE
Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:50 PM
alright it comes down to this...........jjust cuz a wiring info sheet says its one color doesnt mean its that color.........what wire switches with start....cuz thats your start wire...........it could be any of the different colors in our rainbow....
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 9:51 PM
I just got done testing the WHITE/ pink wire and that is not it either. it shows a 12.7 reading with no key in and while running.
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JESSE
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 10:03 PM
Do you think I should just start going through the millions of wires? It seems to me like it's my only option. ------------- JESSE
Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: October 10, 2006 at 10:16 PM
no the most guaranteed way to do this at this point is to take the steering column shroud off and find the key cylinder........look at the opposite end where all the wires come off and just start testing use a dmm (like you said you were) and just test those wires there wont be more than 10 wires and being that its a 97 there most likely wont be that many wires......if there is a grey plastic cover over the base of those wires tear it off and test each one individually.....youll find it....its gotta be there the truck starts right? its just a ford!
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 12:25 PM
Alright, I took the plastic off around the steering wheel. How do I take the ignition cylider out? all of the wires are encased.
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JESSE
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 1:11 PM
I am having problems finding the starter wire in a 1997 mountaineer. Ssmeone suggested that I look at the wires on the key cylinder because it has to be there. I took off all the plastic covering, all of the wires are incased. The only way I will be able to see them is if I take the cylinder out. any help will be greatly appreciated.
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JESSE
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 1:29 PM
With the key in the on position, push the small metal 'ball' that is at the bottome of the key cylinder and you can pull it straight out.
The wires you require are not easily accesible there...if you pop the dash down all of the ignition/starter/accessory wires are in the ignition harness.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 1:37 PM
Yeah, don't pull the cylinder. The wires aren't there anyways and only the cylinder comes out not the wires. They are under the dash coming from the cylinder.
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Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 2:07 PM
No reason to take off the shroud.The ignition switch isn't located at the key cylinder. Remove the knee bolster and look up at the ignition wires where they go into a gray plastic cover connected to the steering column. Take a screw driver and pry that cover off, it'll probably break(they always do and that's ok). that will reveal the ignition switch plug. I don't mean anything by this, but are you sure you are using your DMM correctly? The starter wire will be RED / blue or WHITE/ pink in the top row center on the ignition switch plug. It's there, i've done hundreds of these trucks and it definately shows 12Volts during crank only.... ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 4:22 PM
Alright, I wrote down all of the readings. There are a total of 8 wires in the ignition harness, + a skinny tan/green wire which I will leave out of this. Starting from top left they are: (1)EMPTY_____(2)GREY/YEL____(3)GRAY/YEL____(4)YELL____(5)YELL THE BOTTOM 5 ARE (6)RED / BLUE_____(7)GREEN/ PURP____(8)GRE/PUR____(9)EMPTY____(10)BLACK/ GREEN I numbered them 1-10 OFF BACK ACC START RUN (2) 0 -1.6 11.87 0 14.38 (3) .1 1.6 11.72 0 14.41 (4) 12.19 12.23 11.9 10 14.33 (5) 12.19 12.26 12 11 14.33 (6) 11.6 9.8 10.2 12 10.7 (7) 2.2 -.4 12.22 10 14.24 (8) 2.1 -.5 12.11 10 14.16 (10) 6.6 12.56 12.18 2.6 14.18 The starter should be #6 RED / blue by my diagram, but it does not read that way. please feedback ------------- JESSE
Posted By: jessemi82
Date Posted: October 11, 2006 at 5:06 PM
97 mountaineer ignition harness Alright, I wrote down all of the readings. There are a total of 8 wires in the ignition harness, + a skinny tan/green wire which I will leave out of this. Starting from top left they are: (1)EMPTY_____(2)GREY/YEL____(3)GRAY/YEL____(4)YELL____(5)YELL THE BOTTOM 5 ARE (6)RED / BLUE_____(7)GREEN/ PURP____(8)GRE/PUR____(9)EMPTY____(10)BLACK/ GREEN I numbered them 1-10 OFF BACK ACC START RUN (2) 0 -1.6 11.87 0 14.38 (3) .1 1.6 11.72 0 14.41 (4) 12.19 12.23 11.9 10 14.33 (5) 12.19 12.26 12 11 14.33 (6) 11.6 9.8 10.2 12 10.7 (7) 2.2 -.4 12.22 10 14.24 (8) 2.1 -.5 12.11 10 14.16 (10) 6.6 12.56 12.18 2.6 14.18 The starter should be #6 RED / blue by my diagram, but it does not read that way. please feedback ------------- JESSE
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