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Topic: Cutting ECU Power?

Posted By: pbanto
Subject: Cutting ECU Power?
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 3:25 AM

Would it be possible to wire an interrupt to the switched ECU power? I *think* that on my 1993 Nissan 240sx that there's two wires for ECU power. One while the car is off and one when the car is on.

But anyway, is this at all feasible?



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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 3:59 AM
Sure it is feasible and possible, a relay or a switch could easily interupt any wire, but why on earth I ask do you want to do this?

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Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 4:21 AM
Theft deterrent. I know that there's fuel pump, ignition & starter. I want to add ECU power to the list.

Any other opinions?




Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 4:25 AM
P.S. Is anyone out there familiar with a 240sx ECU?




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 4:39 AM
I am not familar with that ecu but perhaps you can locate a factory manual for the vehicle. Not like a haynes at the auto parts store but a factory one will tell you what every wire does by its color code. However, I don't reccomend you mess with the ecu, especially for what you want to do, too risky. If you want to interupt circuits go to the component power source and interupt there with a relay wired N/O. You can catch the fuel pump power feed behind the factory fuse, interupt ignition under the hood, all kinds of creative ways that don't require messing with the ecu or having to buy a real expensive factory manual. If your're really hard dead set on doing it you might have luck in the reference section at your local library. some have all kinds of factory manuals and although you can't check them out you can copy them there. Might even be on computors there now for all I know, its been a while, Hope I helped a little.

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Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 5:04 AM
I've got a FSM, but the pinout is extremely hard to read. :(




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 5:17 AM
I can imagine. The last time I used one was for when I was restoring a 1964 chevelle. Had to properly fix all the years of  electrical rigging in that poor car. As so primitive and basic compared to your car (no ecu's or anything really) it still took alot of concentration and the manual was so old that some things were unreadable. I wish you luck with the project but still feel you can add very effective layers of security without touching the ecu.

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Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 6:42 AM
Most ECU's are computers that learn over time, killing power to would mean it will re-learn every time you activate the kill. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me....

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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services




Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 7:20 PM
Well, that's what i'm asking. I thought there were two ECU power leads, one for constant power (to retain learned settings) and one for everything else when the car is on (distributor, tach signal, various sensors, etc).

Suppose I interrupt the switched power wire (the one that controls everything when the car is on) with a killswitch. The car wouldn't start if the switch isn't tripped..




Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 8:39 PM
Hmmm, what if cranking the car with this power disconnected damages the ECU? It could be a possibility....

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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 12, 2006 at 10:29 PM

You could unplug the ecu, then take a DMM and safely test which wire shows 12v positive when the key is on.  You could then cut the wire, plug the ecu back in and see if the car starts. However like mike m2 said and I agree that damage is a possibility when tinkering with an ecu. I think doing an "ecu interupt" for security purposes is way overkill and risky but if you are hell bent on trying this simply do as I stated. You don't need a diagram if you know how to use a meter. If more then one wire shows 12v with key on you may need to experiment by cutting one at a time and reconnecting until you hit paydirt.

good luck and let us know the results.



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Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 13, 2006 at 5:24 AM
Fantastic ideas. Thank you master5 and Mike M2.

I've posted up a thread on a 240sx forum asking for tips from the more experienced ECU users.

I'll report back when I get some results!

Thanks again!




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: October 13, 2006 at 8:14 AM

My suggestion would be to interrupt power to the injectors before I would consider screwing with the power to the ECM... there is likely more than one switched power wire to the ECM, as well as a constant 12v. On the most basic level, the outputs from the ECM are ignition and injectors; work with that instead. I can't recommend disconnecting the ECM.

If you wire in a starter disable, fuel pump disable, and injector power disable (I also wouldn't modify the ignition circuit) then you should be as safe as you can be, short of towing.

I wouldn't modify the ignition because if you disable ignition without disabling fuel you can foul out the spark plugs or cause other problems.

Jim





Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 13, 2006 at 11:31 PM
Ahh, injectors. Gotcha.




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: October 15, 2006 at 1:06 PM

After reviewing the wiring diagram I'd suggest looking at the ECM relay.. this controls power to the injectors (as well as the ECM on some wires).. but I'd still look to just depower the injectors. Powering down the injectors won't hurt the ECM because the ECM only pulses the ground to the injector.

Besides.. if someone really wants it they'll just tow it away. Something else to consider would be to delay the shutdown of the engine so the thief is stuck in the middle of an intersection while the alarm is going off.. nothing like drawing attention to them.

Jim





Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 15, 2006 at 9:04 PM

It's a good thing the thiefs around my town can't afford tow trucks, guess thats why they are thieves. But I have heard of this happening. If you are that paranoid and have some cash to burn you could install a GPS tracking system in addition to your current security system.

The ones I do also give you control of certain vehicle functions through any phone or via the internet. You can unlock the doors or trunk, great if you lock your keys in. You could remote start it with virtually unlimited range. You can also shut the car down (can be a possible liability issue but I personally don't care about anything but foiling the thief).

Say if you were to get jacked. If you don't have a cell phone on you can use any phone and shut the car down.  then call the police and tell the them that  your stolen car somewhere stalled out and by using relays you can have the siren and/or horns blaring and lights flashing as well. If you have access to the internet you can guide the police to your cars location with 10 feet, and some systems actually work with the police, I believe DEI's tracking system does.

Now the only drawback is if the car gets towed away and you don't find out about it in time, if the thief is smart they will allow it to "cool down" somewhere before stripping it or in the worst case strip it and disable the GPS before you can track it. (you need to hide that system well)

However, unlike Lojack you do not have to depend on the police to find your car, they may have more important issues to deal with at the time. An advantage with the GPS tracking system is you can get a history report anytime and it will tell you where the car was or is up to the time of disabling, and even tell you the speed the car was driven.

But if the unit is not disabled you can shut down and/or locate your car. Lojack claims however that thier tracking systems can still locate the vehicle even if it's underground or someplace the GPS can't get a signal. However, I like being at  the controls and in addition you can set up the GPS system to page you via email or phone if the car is tampered with. Lojack can alert also as an option.. But my main gripe with lojack is that only an authrorized lojack installer can put them in, you can not buy a unit and install it yourself. My living is made by taking apart and putting vehicles back together to do installations and I find the units all the time behind panels etc., not really hidden that well. I would imagine the first thing any "Pro" thief would do is search for a lojack and disable it if found but as with anything else, it is not 100% failsafe.

Let us know how things work out with your ECU kill and if it causes any problems.

Take care.



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Posted By: pbanto
Date Posted: October 16, 2006 at 4:54 AM
https://www.plxdevices.com/ECUDatabase/Nissan/Nissan_240SX_Sentra_PulsarGTiR_NX_Altima_Bluebird_InfinitiG20_89_94.pdf

That's the wiring pinout.
Mad Scientists - Were you talking about interrupting the #4 R/B ECU Relay terminal?
Also, If I were to isolate and interrupt the injector wires, would the best way to do it (since there are four)?

master5 - I've seen that service offered through viper. The GPS Service costs money for each action you conduct, but it would be the ultimate in car security. Right now, i'm trying to make the most with relatively inexpensive kill switches and such. GPS is a viable option after I put more money into my car.







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