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I want to hook up a remote starter in an '04 Pontiac Grand Am and an '04 Dodge Intrepid. They both have factory alarms and keyless entry. I would like to simply add a remote starter to each, and continue using the factory alarm and keyless system. Also, I would like to have only one remote that controls all the functions of each car. I don't want to have to lock/arm the alarm with the factory alarm, then turn around and use a different remote to remotely start the car. (Different remotes for each car though)

Who as an idea of the easiest and least expensive way of doing this?

auto starter with keyless.... Astro start will do everything you want... diarm and rearm your factory stuf.... very nice units.... 2106.. or 2205

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Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair

There are many systems that offer you the ability to control all keyless/alarm functions as well as remote starter for two cars using only one remote. I use the Autostart brand and they offer this feature on many models. Your Grand Am doesn't have a factory alarm, but it does have an immobilizer system called Passlock II.

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sparky

There a few remote starts that will work right off your factory remote. DEI make one that requires 3 pulses to start and can be connected to your lock motor wire. Avox makes a very reliable unit, AS9075A, that you simply press lock, unlock, lock in sequence and it starts. This piece is probably a bit easier to install too. Both cars you mention will need imobilizer bypasses.

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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services

Almost any RS system out there can operate your Dodge alarm system and keyless entry. It's a single wire system. Arm is positive trigger thru a 1.87K ohm resistor. Disarm is positive trigger thru a 680 ohm resistor. MUST use relays. The Grand Am doesn't have an alarm system but still uses a single wire system. Lock is straight negative trigger. Unlock is negative trigger thru a 1.5K (1500) ohm resistor. MUST use relays. I suggest using a Compustar 1WAM-S as this will do RS, keyless entry, & trunk release as well.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

"They both have factory alarms and keyless entry"

As mentioned grand ams don't come with factory alarms, so if that concerns you, you might want to upgrade to an alarm/remote start combo. If not, then it sounds like you want an add on remote start (Code Alarm CA-430 or an equivalent) which will work off of the OEM remotes. Just remember you will still be limited to the range of the OEM remotes. If you can't lock/unlock it from a certain distance, you won't be able to start it either.

Mike

Great advice everyone, I really appreciate it. I'm really just wanting to add the remote start feature. We're not worried about either vehicle being stolen or even broken into, because we're in a pretty low crime area. I don't care if each car uses the OEM remote or a new one, I just want one remote for each separate vehicle. The other hope is ease of install, but I have done some work with these.

Everybodies posts are accurate so I'll add my brand choice posted_image

. I would suggest the Ultra start 1270TL, easy to install and operate. With the grand am if you have keyless entry from the factory you can use a gmdl-bp for door locks and trunk and ignition bypass, I just installed this set-up in a 04 grand am life was good (thanx Jeff). And yes the ultra will arm/disarm the fact. security.

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I just finished the UltraStart 1270tl in the 04 Grand-Am with a GMDL-BP. I got everything off ebay, although that can be risky. Everything was a breeze. I installed it in just under 5 hours. Not bad for a firt-timer.

By the way, the 1270TL does have a feature where you could use the same remote on two different cars. I plan on putting a 1270 in my truck and consolidating keychains/remotes, nice!!

I will also pass on a recomendation from XtremeJ to use Super33 Electrical tape. I have used cheaper tape in the past but now I really like the super33. Its $4 at Lowes, and well worth it.

Check this out for diagrams and PICTURES of your vehicle. Very helpful.
https://www.directwholesale.net/diagrams/diagrams.asp?link=BULLDOG

Just got the UltraStart 1770tl and GMDL-BP from ebay. Can't wait to get it installed so the lady will get off my back! haha! One question though. When it comes to the lock wires, do I need to hook up the ultrastart in a 5 wire setup to the lock wires and also tap in the GMDL-BP wires into that? I'm not sure how the two units interface/supercede one another. The VIper I have does it all out of one unit. Any other helpful hints or tricks would be great. Where did you hide/mount the two pieces?

Great website link. I didn't know about that ignition harness. I'm ordering one off ebay right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The gmdlbp is going to make your life a piece of cake. Hook it in remote start harness connections accordingly, the only wire that you need to tie into the car is the purple data wire at the diagnostic plug. Did you mean the 1270tl?

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Yep, I meant 1270tl. My fingers don't always listen when I tell them what to type. That's awesome that I only have to hook in the one wire from the remote start to activate it!. So,basically the GMDLBP is mostly used to bypass the key interface? I ordered that other harness for the ignition too. That is really going to speed things up. Any other advice?

Yeah the gmdl-bp works well it will pop the trunk as well as control the doorlocks and bypass passlock II. Advice? you can get your parking lights wire in the radio harness (brown wire) Make sure to test before hooking. Enjoy.

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So, the gmdlbp will control all that stuff by running just the one wire from the autostart to it supplying a negative ground when on, and running the purple wire to the diagnostic plug? Sounds too good to be true.

"So, the gmdlbp will control all that stuff by running just the one wire from the autostart to it supplying a negative ground when on, and running the purple wire to the diagnostic plug? Sounds too good to be true."

You still have to hookup the lock/unlock wires from your ultrastart to the gmdl-bp. As well as hookup the constant, ground, and negative out when running on the GMDLBP. Then tie the violet data wire into the data plug and program. We've seen mixed results using the gmdl-bp on grandams, they sometimes don't want to do the locks and/or the trunk even though the vehicle does have oem keyless. I would've just went with a GMBP and hooked the locks up myself, but if you already have the module put it to use!

probably going to get a lot of feedback for this post but here it goes. Like someone posted earlier, you want to use the DEI piece Valet 561T or Audiovox as9075. The Valet unit is extremly easy to install. All you hook up is the ign harness (power, acc., start) brake, ground, parking lts, and lock wire. With your Factory remote hit lock, lock, lock car starts. The Valet piece is made by DEI (makers opf Viper) Viper is def. just a name but TRUST me DEI or Audiovox is the way to go - everything else, I mean everything else is crap. No respectable will install anything other than these 2 units. Have been doing this for years, own shop, dont go with crimestopper or gmdlbp??. Not worth it in the long run, yeah you'll save a couple of bucks for getting the cheap one, but your car will get f'ed up and tech support for those crap companies are a joke. Call up DEI tech or Audiovox tech support. Those guys wil always have the answer. Good Luck

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Cruisin Security And Sounds

PS you only need a bypass for the intrepid if its a grey key, black key does not need one.

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Cruisin Security And Sounds

Wow what a clueless statement you made. Still on the old dei titty well its time to grow up and realize there are bigger and better lines to carry and install than dei. maybe you should should change your name to cruisin for s & m.................

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CruisinS&S wrote:

PS you only need a bypass for the intrepid if its a grey key, black key does not need one.

I do have a black key, so that's good to know. I have to do the girlfriend's car 1st then I'll worry about my intrepid. Sounds like mine will be even easier.

What is the easiest spot to grab a power wire to power up the GMDLBP, I'm sure I can find one, but thought I'd ask. I'm going to start wiring up the two units together tonight and label all the wires so I can throw it in "real quick" haha! tomorrow or thursday night.

There is a port on the side of the 1270 with ground-negative trigger-power this port if for the ignition bypass/interface.

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And the wires are red,black and WHITE/ purple. 3 pin plug

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They sent me a 1250!!!!! so i'm missing that harness, which explains a lot. Here's how I intend to wire things up, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm guessing on the GM harness until I have the car in front of me, but here's what I have so far.

Heavy Power Harness-GM Harness: Red's-reds, yellow-yellow/black, green-WHITE/ black, white-WHITE/ red, blue-white

Main harness to Vehicle or GMDL-BP Yellow-Not used; Red-Orange(GMDL-BP); Brown-Not used; Orange-???; WHITE/ Blue-Black(bcm); BLACK/ white(not there); Purple(not there); White-Brown(bcm); GREEN / WHITE-hood pin; Black-Chassis ground; Pink-White(brake switch); blue/white-Wire(pcm)(not sure which engine she has); blue-not used

Door lock green-green(GM), Red(Not There) Door lock Blue-blue(GM)

Instant Start(Not There)

Antennae plug is obvious

THe Ground while running/Ground Output/12volt output, isn't there on the f'n 1250 they sent me, but thanks to the above post, I use those to hook into the power, ground, and ground while running wires on the GMDL-BP

Does all this look right? Since I'm probably getting stuck with this unit, will the 1250 easily work with the intrepid?

Well orange (ground out while running) will go to brown gmdlbp, green lock wire to green gmdlbp, blue to blue, violet to viol;et in the car diagnostic plug, pink and pinkwhite no connection unless it was alarm install also, red white to orange gmdl bp, grab constant power and ground in the car or some tie into them in the remote start harness ie main leads for constant and black for ground. Not to scare but as of recently I have learned that there will be alot of 1250's being sold on ebay and other variuos internet sales, mostly refurbished units I hope yours works out for ya. I was using a distrinbutor that is trying to push them worse than crack. Did the seller issue you a warranty with that unit?

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The ad was for a brand new 1270, not a refurb 1250, but it's definitely a 1250. I wish I could buy direct and get a real warranty on these, it has the "warranty card" but that's not good coming off of ebay. I have a few more friends wanting me to put these in, and I would hate for something to go wrong with them, ya know. I had to troubleshoot and rewire a viper 791 that car. If I get stuck with this one, at least I can make it work for this one from what you've written above. Thanks again!