Astrostart series 1000, 95 Mazda Millenia
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Topic: Astrostart series 1000, 95 Mazda Millenia
Posted By: tlebel
Subject: Astrostart series 1000, 95 Mazda Millenia
Date Posted: October 17, 2006 at 7:23 PM
We are trying to troubleshoot an Astrostart Series 1000 in a 95 Mazda Millenia. It worked fine until the car battery went dead. We've been able to reset the door locks so they work by following the remote reset instructions, but when the start button is pressed, a couple of relays click, the lights flash once, then nothing. Starter never even tries to kick over.
I've checked the hood switch, and made sure the 12 volt and grounds are ok, but am stumpped where to go next.
any help is appreciated. and no I do not have an install diagram but if someone has one, it may be very helpful.
Thanks,
TL
Replies:
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 17, 2006 at 9:22 PM
I will try to help but am unfamiliar with astrostart. I can only think of 3 logical possibilites and these assume none of the astrostarts wires were touched with in any way. 1) the hood switch is bad, bent or misaligned (maybe during the battery charging or if it was replaced someone hit the pinswitch 2) the system needs to be programmed for tach-learn etc. (a surge or disconnecting of power to it might have knocked out the previous programming) 3) the unit went bad (perhaps someone connected the cables reversed for a second or, for the same reasons as #2) Let me know if any of these suggestions helped. Thanks -------------
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 17, 2006 at 9:24 PM
Oh sorry, you stated you already checked the hoodswitch,,yeah that's a bit obvoius.
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Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 8:04 AM
Thanks for the reply. Yes, checked the hood switch as you stated. As for the jump, when the battery died, can say I am sure that cross connect on the jump didn't happen, but also noted that in the instructions (afterwards) that the Astrostart switch should have been turned off, which wasn't done. As for #2, programming. I don't have any install docs, and user manual is pretty useless for programming, as they don't even tell you what the dip switch layout is. How do I find out how to reprogram? TL
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 11:15 AM
Locate the brain, find the LED on it. Attempt a remote start, after it fails, count the number of flashes. Its a diagnostic code of sorts. I tried to load a picture of the page that lists the error codes but NO LUCK. I'll check back to see what you got.
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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 1:09 PM
Hey Kar tuneman. I like your signature. I guess as long as you understand why you should only use a DMM to test circuits and use a fuse on anything you connect to power, you can avoid damaging things and fires lol There is no substitiute for real world experience but it still can't hurt to take a certification test.. It seems there is limitless stuff to learn in this industry as I find out everyday. Peace -------------
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 9:01 PM
Well, Pushed the start button on the remote, it flashes rapidly while the button is depressed. Relays click, lights flash once, then no flashes on the LED.
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 10:06 PM
Ya need to look at the led on the brain... I't probably lost it's tach sense... occasionally one of the dip switches will move [usually someone screwing with it...] and if it gets left in the up position the unit is just in progaming mode and the vehicle won't start... the other possibility with that is, the on/off switch..see if it is plugged into the brain and turned on... I have yet to see one of these units actually fail.. if ya have problems tommorow , just give me a shout... May need to set it to automatic transmition too...
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 10:10 PM
You GO Hymer.....Astro rules.......  -------------
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 8:02 AM
Yup, was looking at the LED on the brain
As for he DIP switches, have no idea what they do, as I don't have a schematic or anything?
I've got 3 up 5 down. Starting from the outer edge of the brain pc board 5 are what I would call down, or in the position towards the board edge, the next 3 are up, or facing the inner part of the pc board. (My son has the car at school right now, so I can't go check immediately if those are on or off positions, sorry).
I also looked at the tach wire. I must say, it's shaky at best. Doesn't look like the installer had his best guy installing this. Solder joints are not great, and the tach wire is strung pretty tight from the firewall around on the AC piping (which can get pretty hot), and loosely taped into the tach sensor.
Hmmm.
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 9:52 AM
ok, Auto tach learn.. dip switches 1,5,6,7 up start car apply brakes wait for about 5 secs or so and the led on the brain will start to flash. put all dip switches down apply brake shut off car..
To set for auto tranny dips 4,5,6,7, up apply brakes and put all dips down . now try to rs the car... I looked through the wireing on this car and it's pretty staright fwd.. hit the unlock buton (double pulse will diarm the fact security) other than that.. nothing fancy... If none of the above works, give me a shout... Good luck
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 3:27 PM
Hymer....your takin all the fun out of it for me. (not really) I'm just too darn slow to reply! Keep up the good work. -------------
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 5:56 PM
hmm. Tried to post this a while ago, but haven't seen it pop up yet, so let me try again.
did the tach learn. LED on brain flickered when 'learniing' every second or so. Tried rs, no luck, same results, plus noted after a short pause after the failure, the LED flashes 5x, pauses then 5x, etc.
mean anything?
T
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 6:12 PM
Without having any direct experience with the astrostart we can only hope that the 5 x led flashes is a diagnostic notification that can guide you to a solution. Someone with access the install manual can help with that in a future reply. My fingers are crossed for you that the unit isn't damaged. Best of luck with the outcome and keep us posted. -------------
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 7:30 PM
5 pauses means the hood pin is grounded... red and black wire... disconnect it from the pin or cut it... no ground then the rs should start...
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 19, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Amazing..it's always the simplest thing. Thought you checked that already? LOL Anyhow, let us know if that was it. Once again my fingers are crossed for you. -------------
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 3:19 PM
Whew! well, got more info, not good info, but info.
Turns out the switch under the hood I was checking before was the factory alarm switch. The car starter switch was never installed. That BLACK/ red wire was already cut in the taped harness under the dash. So no switch, and still 5 flashes.
Additional info. Looks like the guy installed a trunk release relay on the other output (green wire from opposite side of unit). That wire never goes low (grounds) to trip the relay to open the trunk either. When we push the 2 lock buttons together to do the trunk relay, the brain clicks, but no grounding of the green wire for trunk relay (measured with ohmmeter). i also tested the relay by grounding the relay manually.
Don't know if this additional info is helpful, but figured I'd add it.
T
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 3:33 PM
send me your email, found a pdf with alll the 1000 install stuff... try gounding the hood pin... may be set for that... can be either or.. as for the trunk, well thats a matter of telling the output what to do... dumb question... did ya check the ground off the astro unit? they go batty when it's loose or bad....
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 4:34 PM
Pushing lock and unlock at the SAME time triggers "car finder" Try reprogramming your hood pin normally open...... dip#2, and 9 UP hit the brake, put the dips DOWN...hit the brake normally closed........dip # 2 up hi the brake put the dop down, hit the brake -------------
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 6:55 PM
Thanks, I'll try that, and I've PM'd Hymer my email for the pdf. I'll keep you all posted.
TL
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 7:18 PM
There is no dip #9. Is it hidden under the cover?
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 20, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Regardless of what is causing this problem (hope its not a defective unit) it appears the installer "hammer bagged" this one. I would go over everything. Keep us posted. -------------
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 12:05 AM
OOOOps....sorry, I was thinking about the 1105. The 1000 is like so. when the hood is opened, and the contact is closed put 2, and 3 up, then hit the brake, put them down, hit the brake. contact is open, put 2, 3, and 4, up...do the brake thing. -------------
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 1:08 AM
I can't really critisize the "astrostarts" as I have no experience with them. But this kind of programming procedure seems "audiovoxish". Or at least like the older ones. They worked fine, were reliable, and straight forward install, but any programming issues were at the least a bit tricky and time consuming. But perhaps I am somewhat "spoiled" from using only DEI products for the last several years. Not to say DEI is any better quality, it just seems that an issue like this would have taken under a minute to rectify. And I question the install integraty due to that fact there is no hoodpin connection, that displays to me that safety and liability were not a factor in this particular install..so why would quality be? regardless, Kar Tuneman apparently knows his stuff so hopefully you are on your way. again, luck be with you. -------------
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 10:29 AM
I use the multitest 2 to program and check errors in programming. (astros version of the bitwritter) Those dip switches are a pain..... 
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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 12:10 PM
Ahhh......So astrostart is on top of it's game. Good to know. -------------
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Yeah, Astro is pretty good... havn't had a unit actually fail in service yet.... but if the programing gets messed up [genrally by someone screwing with dips...] then ya got problems... The instructions are not the greatest, but easy once you figure them out...
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: tlebel
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 6:32 PM
 SUCCESS!
Thanks to ALL of you esp Hymer who provided the pdf (if I ever get the pdf 'fixed', I'll email you a copy).
This thing was hosed good, and the programming docs have a little error, but we got through it.
A: Had to reset hood switch type for contact open. That got the starter to turn over..but..it was real rough and kept trying to restart by itself.
B: Default was engine config set for 1 cylinder, had to reset for 6 cyl.
C: Harness 252 green wire set for Passkey, needed to be set for Trunk
At this point, it was running, but we were on a roll...
D: set door lock command for Auto... didn't seem to work right, then found the error on the programming page. Level 8 says harness 252 Blue Wire; NOT; it's the white wire as indicated on page 1 of the pdf, and then it showed no default for Start/Stop Trigger; it defaults to disabled.
So after we then set Level 8 for Start/Stop Trigger enabled and Ground when doors locked for (white) wire, we were rockin!
Car starts, tach is set, door locks work from remote, trunk opens from remote, sentinel mode works, doors lock when car is put into gear and unlock automatically when key is turned off.
WOW! This was a tough one, you guys were all great, thanks for your support, now I think I'll 'donate' some of mine to help keep these forums going.
Hymer, thanks again for the pdf, without that I don't think we ever would've gotten through it.
best,
Tom
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 21, 2006 at 9:52 PM
Wow, pretty amazing that it took a jump start to discover that many things were wrong with it. So in a sense it was a good thing that the battery died. Glad you are back in business. Thanks everyone, I also learned alot about the astros. -------------
Posted By: Hymer
Date Posted: October 23, 2006 at 8:34 AM
Glad to see everything worked out for ya.... just a lot of programing glitches... typical... Well happy autostarting!
------------- Tire Proz Stillwater Mn
High End Restyling and Comlete Repair
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 23, 2006 at 11:00 AM
I remeber the first time I installed an Astro....I was overwhelmed. The manual seemed to be written in some foreign language (like french or something)  That was my first complaint, it was written as if you had years of experiance with their product. The programming was the same way...mess up the sequence, and you gotta Hope you didn't change something you didn't want too....OOPS. I now see the great design and function of everything they build into their units. Smart design and function, for years of trouble free starting. YUP, I'm an astro guy Astro's weekest area (besides being owned by DEI now) is the bypass, and override modules they use. They all work just fine, BUT, you still need to put a "key in a box" for too many vehicles. Thats all I got to say about that..... -------------
Posted By: master5
Date Posted: October 23, 2006 at 12:09 PM
In comparison, DEI does the same thing. Thier install manuals are written as if everyone installing the system has been doing so for years and understands "engineering" terms and ways of thinking. I have been using DEI products for at least 10-12 years (not solely mind you..but mainly). However, dei states they will only sell to retailers provided thier installers are MECP certified. But we all know there are ways to get anything regardless. I don't think they actually make the manuals difficult for that reason. My theory is either A) everything is designed overseas so there is difficulty with translation or B) it is difficult to convert enginnering to be understood by anyone but an engineer, and these products basically go from enginner, to packaging, to distributor, to consumer. However, in most cases the disconnecting of power has no effect on its progarmming. DEI claims it will hold memorty for like 100,000 years or something to that effect (basically a non-issue) They come out of the box w/ the most popular default settings. There is a jumper on most of them for positve/negative light flash output as some with some newer vehicles even the parking light circuits are "computorized, data, multiplexed, or anything the factory can do to make a simple "light switch and bulb" be a technical riddle. Buts thats progress I guess. Programming changes are done with a combination of the remote, valet/override switch AND the ignition switch (you need 4 hands so someone can hold the manual open (lol), but in 99% of the cases you do not need to access the "brain". If you have a dei bitwriter and need to change the programming post install you need access to plug it in, but after that the bitwriter is quicker. But we continually need to pay for upated software for it or the unit will not work. So still "bugs' in it so to speak. Dei does not however use dipswitches at all except with certain interface modules. But those are a "set and forget" kind of thing so not a big deal. -------------
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