Can undercar neons flash with alarm?

Yes, simple. If you use diodes with enough amperage rating for your parking lights, this is how:

Take the 12+ lightflash wire from alarm and use both diodes. Twist the anodes (side without the stripes) and connect that to this wire.(12v + parking light output) You will now have a "Y" with 2 diodes, stripe sides out. Put a wire on each. Run one to where you normally connect the parking lights from the alarm, put the other to a relay..pin 86

pin 85...ground

pin 30 12v constant seperatly fused power source.

pin 87 to the 12v + power wire of the neons.

This will allow the neons to flash with the alarm and parking lights, but will prevent your parking lights from powering up the neons (they are now isolated) and vice-versa.

If you need a diagram let me know. I can't do this here (at work) but can at home.

Any questions post.*

* If you can't find a diode large enough, you can connect more then one in parallel to increase the overall rating. Ex: 3, 3a = 9a etc.

So would a LED type under kit be better?  aren't they instantly on as soon as you apply power? How would I know what size diodes to use?  Master5 could you please send me a diagram for this so that I can get the stuff ready for tuesday. thats when the alarms being installed.  Since its a 5spd don't I need some sort of gear sensor or something?  I mean the guy whos doing it has done alot of these over the years, I mean thats all he does is alarms, but I just wanted to know from some one other than the guy whos making the money off of me.  He said it was very important that I don't try to use the remote start  without 110% knowing if it wasn't in gear or not.  wouldn't a gear sensor(or whatever its called) not allow the remote start to work if it was in gear?  Making it kinda fool proof.  You know the dumbest part of all of this is I bought the alarm wiring CD from this site, but I'm to nervous to try to install the alarm myself.  Is there a CD or DVD that actually shows someone installing an alarm on a car. That shows the different things that one would come across when installing an alarm, a HANDS ON kinda thing.  I know of METRO home study(I think it is). but there like some 300 bucks. I think I paid like 15 bucks for the CD of wirings I got here, so I'm not trying to pay a butt load of money for one, any of you guys have something like that??  Thanks again I've been learning alot from this site and it makes me a better consumer but I want take it to a higher level. again thank you guys!!

Without diodes or relay isolation what is preventing the parking lights from lighting when you power up the neons?  Maybe while at a "show" or something he only wants the neon lights on. Isin't it nice to have that choice for only a few dollars in parts?

And also, I would be concerned running neons AND parking lights straight off the systems output, but if the total combined current of the parking lights and the neons do not exceed the rating of the alarm system (usually 10amps) then I guess you could do without the relay. I just prefer to lean towards the safe side, a relay is cheap enough.

Technically, you really only need the diode on the parking light side since the relay for the neons will isolate it. Once again, just being extra safe, a diode is cheap as well.

If you wire it as I explained and connect the relay output to the neon power AFTER the neon switch, everything will work normal and as you want, without ANY chance of a problem. The parking lights will work normal and independant, the neons will work normal and independant, and the alarm will flash them with the parking lights as you requested.

Ok...NEXT..DO NOT install a remote start onto your manual trans vehicle unless the unit or an interface is designed specifically for a manual trans. That is all I will say on that topic so I don't get blamed if the car one day by accident drives through someones house..I want no part of that..lol

As far as any dvd or course on installing a remote start...well lets just say it can't hurt. Written a few myself. The thing is if it is not showing how to install it on your specific vehicle, and you are not experienced, it could spell trouble. But since it is your car, if you are willing to take the risk, it is the best way to learn. This way if you do mess something up theres no chance of you sueing yourself. Just be extra careful..use a DMM, make "solid" connections...don't connect to ANYTHING until you verify what it is, and ask for help if needed. (WE are here to and glad to help).

I don't think it matters if you use an LED kit or not as far as the flashing, I have used both this way with no problems. However, the leds use less current so if not using a relay there is less risk. Some real "neons" use a decent size transformer, hence the concern with using a relay. Your choice but if it blows the fuse on the alarms lightflash output, don't blame me. And if you put a bigger fuse in to compensate, and it burns the output..again, don't blame me.

I will post a diagram later, I have to do it by hand as I don't have this circuit on file.

TTYL

I am having trouble uploading images. Need more practice here, I am fairly new.

It is a simple diagram so perhaps someone else can post it, As far as the size fuse and diode(s) you need just look at the fuse that came with the neons. If its a 5amp, you should use a 5amp fuse on the relay, and a 5 amp diode or put 2-3a diodes together.

If you don't want to use a diode I can tell you how to do it with another relay instead.

I would search around online for instructional materials. Metro electronics institute sells a course and I believe Select electronics has dvd's as well. It should be no problem finding diagrams in this forum for doorlocks and all kinds of relay setups.

I live in a very warm climate so am unaware of the delay with neons. If it is cold where you are just use the leds if you wish to flash or think it might be an issue.

If you really want to get into doing remote starts get yourself a DMM if you don't already have one and learn relays. That's a good starting point, for now continue helping out and watching to learn all you can, you will get it in time. Most alarm and remote start systems should come with diagrams showing most types of doorlock circuits so study those and ask questions.

Take care

Diagram to flash neon with alarm (isolated w/ relay/diode)

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well I will never be able to figure out how an alarm brain could do this or how in anyway shape or form it was tied into the sound system. That is a scary thought. If anything, the alarm does not have enough current output to damage all that equipment, and everything including the system should be fused.

But if this did happen whoever did the install must of tried really hard to make that possible. I can't imagine accidently causing an alarm to destroy a complete sound system.

Oh well, anyhow if you follow that diagram I posted it will do what you want in a safe way. Make sure that you have help from a qualified installer when doing the RS so you will learn the correct way. You don't want to blow up another sound system or worse.

Good Luck.

I am still perplexed with the alarm killing the stereo but so much for that. I still can't grasp why a fuse wouldn't blow before everything else but maybe someone shoved a bolt into the fuse holders.

anyhoo...I already posted that I won't help with the clutch bypass in your case. It can be done but IMO it is a safety hazard and liability. No more to say about that, perhaps someone else is willing. And yes, if you bypass the clutch it can start in gear and drive off down the road...not a pretty picture. There are devices that can prevent this as well as units designed specifically for manual transmission. This takes the liability off the installer and should come with instuctions on how to properly bypass the clutch switch.

I don't know what the cruise control would have to do with a hood pin. However, the purpose of the hoodpin with a RS is to prevent injury in the event of a remote start while the hood is open and some poor slobs hand is in the belts or fan etc. It will prevent the remote start from engaging while the hood is open, it has nothing to do with the cruise control or the neutral safety. If the vehicle does not have a hoodpin from the factory you need to install one. They are cheap or if you don't live near alot of hills you can use a tilt sensor (mercury or ball) which will last alot longer.

As far as the window/sunroof control the modules you NEED to do this with should come with clear instructions on how to install them and how to identify the type of switches you have.

Be careful out there.