Viper 791xv, 2004 Camry
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: Viper 791xv, 2004 Camry
Posted By: jzlitao
Subject: Viper 791xv, 2004 Camry
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 11:54 AM
Hi everyone,
I am a newbie here.
I want to install a Viper 791xv remote start(ordered from Amazon last night) on my 2004 Camry LE v4 with factory keyless entry. I did a lots of reading in this forum and was kind of confused.
Can anyone tell me whether I need a universial bypass module(555U or 556?) or not. I can start my car with a metal key(with a serial number tag) which was given to me by dealer for backup and there is no security alarm status LED on the front panel either. I can trigger the siren alarm by pressing Panic button on the back of the remote, but can not get alarm by kicking my car. I am not sure whether it has security system(VIP 3200?) or not. Do I need get other module(BYPASS or sth) other than Viper 791xv?
Your helps are really appreciated.
Shaowei
Replies:
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 12:28 PM
Do you have any spare keys for the car, perhaps one that is ALL metal, no plastic on the key. If so, you do not need a bypass. I would get it anyways, cause it would SUCK to get all done and find out you gotta have it.
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Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 1:04 PM
KarTuneMan wrote:
Do you have any spare keys for the car, perhaps one that is ALL metal, no plastic on the key. If so, you do not need a bypass. I would get it anyways, cause it would SUCK to get all done and find out you gotta have it.
Thanks for your reply. As I said earlier , I have a spare key with ALL metal. So I need not buy any bypass,right? Do I need prepare some extra cables, relay,etc. or the Viper 761xv package from Amazon.com comes with all the cables I needed? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 1:49 PM
your gonna need an extra relay for second start.........and another one for trunk pop if you want to add that......
Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 1:51 PM
and no if your all metal key starts the toileta you wont need a bypass.........
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 2:12 PM
snotdobbs wrote:
your gonna need an extra relay for second start.........and another one for trunk pop if you want to add that......
Hi snotdobbs, Thanks for your information. Could you tell me where to get extra relay for second start and trunk pop? A link to website would be great. Thanks,
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 3:42 PM
any local auto parts or electronics store will have them.... it's a standard 30 amp Bosch (or equivalent) relay and socket
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 4:30 PM
kgerry wrote:
any local auto parts or electronics store will have them.... it's a standard 30 amp Bosch (or equivalent) relay and socket
Thanks kgerry,
I called my local Checker Auto Parts and was told they have 30-amp relay for lighting(5.98$ without socket). Do not know whether it is what you are talking about.
Searched on ebay and find this. Can you tell me whether this one works for my purpose? I do not want to go there and get something wrong.
https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Bosch-SPDT-Relay-Socket-12V-DC-Automotive-20-30-amp_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6763QQihZ009QQitemZ190045431541QQrdZ1
Another one also mentioned " Use with any Commando Alarm Starter Disable Output
One 3-Wire Harness with Diode for Starter Disable
Universal Fit for Starter Disable Feature ", link as followed. Should I go to get this one?
https://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Brand-New-Universal-Alarm-Harness-30-Amp-Relay_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33721QQihZ001QQitemZ110048793029QQrdZ1
Thanks again,
Posted By: green6767
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 4:46 PM
I would suggest not kicking your car to see if you have an alarm or not. That made me laugh when I read that...haha. The factory security in that car wont matter anyway, because it disarms with unlock and lock from the remote starter.
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Shaun, we are the same height, that is neat!
12V Installation Technician for Honda, Dodge, Chrysler, Toyota and Jeep.
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 7:35 PM
The way to tell if a Camry has a factory alarm is to simply look next to the radio for a security light. Having keyless makes no difference, it can come either way. This is the relay you need, comes with a socket... https://cgi.ebay.com/5-PACK-12V-DC-20-30-Amp-Bosch-SPDT-Relay-Socket-NEW_W0QQitemZ120046306732QQihZ002QQcategoryZ75389QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 7:37 PM
green6767 wrote:
I would suggest not kicking your car to see if you have an alarm or not. That made me laugh when I read that...haha. The factory security in that car wont matter anyway, because it disarms with unlock and lock from the remote starter.
Actually, it disarms from keysense when remote started, not locks.... ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 7:41 PM
Mike M2 wrote:
The way to tell if a Camry has a factory alarm is to simply look next to the radio for a security light. Having keyless makes no difference, it can come either way. This is the relay you need, comes with a socket... https://cgi.ebay.com/5-PACK-12V-DC-20-30-Amp-Bosch-SPDT-Relay-Socket-NEW_W0QQitemZ120046306732QQihZ002QQcategoryZ75389QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
No security light. Thanks, Link does not work.
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 01, 2006 at 7:44 PM
jzlitao wrote:
Mike M2 wrote:
The way to tell if a Camry has a factory alarm is to simply look next to the radio for a security light. Having keyless makes no difference, it can come either way. This is the relay you need, comes with a socket... https://cgi.ebay.com/5-PACK-12V-DC-20-30-Amp-Bosch-SPDT-Relay-Socket-NEW_W0QQitemZ120046306732QQihZ002QQcategoryZ75389QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
No security light. Thanks, Link fixed. sorry. Thanks for ur link. I ordered two from ebay.
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 02, 2006 at 2:20 PM
snotdobbs wrote:
your gonna need an extra relay for second start.........and another one for trunk pop if you want to add that......
I figured out that I need cut the starter wire in half and connect the green wire of Viper 791xv to the keyside of cut and purple to the starter side. Since 2004 Camry has two start cables and also need a 2nd start relay. Could anyone tell me how to get it connected? Before 2nd relay or after?
Someone also mention there is no techometer cable on 2004 Camry LE v4, is it truth? How to connect it with Viper 791xv.
Many thanks,
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 02, 2006 at 4:14 PM
On an o4 you will cut the BLACK/ white starter wire and connect as you state. The second starter wire is a thin BLACK / YELLOW(carefull, there's two at the switch) and needs a relay connected as follows. 30 and 86 go to 12volts, 87 goes to the second starter wire, and 85 goes to the thin purple wire on the plug on the back of the satolite relay(next to the ribbon cable). .
As for Tach wire, you will find it at the clock above the radio, and also Gray plug to the right of the steering column. Two ORANGE / black wires. The one closer to the middle is tach(thanks Chris). |
------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 02, 2006 at 4:56 PM
Hi guys,
I love this forum. I can get all the information I needed within few minutes.
Thanks again for all the helps and I will start working on my little project once I receive Viper 961xv from UPS and will let you guys know the results.
Jzlitao
Posted By: green6767
Date Posted: November 02, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Mike M2 wrote:
green6767 wrote:
I would suggest not kicking your car to see if you have an alarm or not. That made me laugh when I read that...haha. The factory security in that car wont matter anyway, because it disarms with unlock and lock from the remote starter.
Actually, it disarms from keysense when remote started, not locks....
yes you are correct, but so am I. it will disarm from unlock. i'm looking at the data sheet right now and it disarms with unlock, and arms with lock. there are no separeate disarm/arm wires. it will disarm with key sense also, but for you to say it WONT disarm/arm with the locks is incorrect ------------- Shaun, we are the same height, that is neat!
12V Installation Technician for Honda, Dodge, Chrysler, Toyota and Jeep.
Posted By: green6767
Date Posted: November 02, 2006 at 5:35 PM
repost sorry, server locked up on me.
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Shaun, we are the same height, that is neat!
12V Installation Technician for Honda, Dodge, Chrysler, Toyota and Jeep.
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 03, 2006 at 3:51 PM
green6767 wrote:
I would suggest not kicking your car to see if you have an alarm or not. That made me laugh when I read that...haha. The factory security in that car wont matter anyway, because it disarms with unlock and lock from the remote starter.
If you were to do that, everytime you remote start it would have to unlock the drivers door first. Unlock may disarm but you can't use it for remote start, you must use keysense. This why i said incorrect... ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: green6767
Date Posted: November 03, 2006 at 6:52 PM
it does unlock before remote start......then it locks again. so explain to me why thats not correct? I do these cars all the time, never hooked up a keysense wire.
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Shaun, we are the same height, that is neat!
12V Installation Technician for Honda, Dodge, Chrysler, Toyota and Jeep.
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 04, 2006 at 9:17 AM
green6767 wrote:
it does unlock before remote start......then it locks again. so explain to me why thats not correct? I do these cars all the time, never hooked up a keysense wire.
You just don't need to do all that. The Rs doesn't have to unlock any doors to turn the factory alarm off. Just connect keysense to the ground statis wire and it will disarm itself without any connections to the locks... ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: green6767
Date Posted: November 04, 2006 at 4:38 PM
Well, either way it will work, whether you want to hook up the extra wire for keysense, or program a pulse before on the unlock wire and not have to hook up the extra wire for keysense, it will disarm the vehicle. I just find it easier working with astrostart to just program the pulse before as it takes about a second or two rather than running a wire up to the keysense and solder and tape. whatever floats your boat.
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Shaun, we are the same height, that is neat!
12V Installation Technician for Honda, Dodge, Chrysler, Toyota and Jeep.
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 2:05 AM
Viper package arrived yesterday, so I went through all the documents again and found I need some instructions to the door lock harness. How to connect the GREEN and BLUE cables on Viper door lock harness to the camry 2004 Power lock and Power Unlock cables(blue / YELLOW and blue). Both Power Lock and Power Unlock is (-) negative while door lock harness, one calbe is (+) and another is (-). Do I need door lock connections If I want to use Viper remote to lock and unlock door? Many thanks,
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 6:32 AM
This is very simple. Connect your green lock wire to the cars blue wire for lock. For unlock you want to connect the alarms blue unlock wire AND you want to connect the light blue on plug H2 BOTH to the cars blue / YELLOW. That's it, your done! This will give you two step unlock, so the first press of disarm will unlock the drivers door only and the next press will unlock the others...
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 8:21 PM
Mike M2 wrote:
This is very simple. Connect your green lock wire to the cars blue wire for lock. For unlock you want to connect the alarms blue unlock wire AND you want to connect the light blue on plug H2 BOTH to the cars blue / YELLOW. That's it, your done! This will give you two step unlock, so the first press of disarm will unlock the drivers door only and the next press will unlock the others...
Thanks Mike, Maybe a stupid question. For starter wire in ignition Harness, I know I should cut it and connect both ends to Purple and green wires on satellite relay, respetively. For the accessory , ignition and 2nd ignition wires in ignition harness, I know I need cut it and connect with accessory ,ignition and 2nd ignition output with one end( not key sides). But my question is what shall I do with those wires' key ends. Just tape it and connect nothing? And for BLACK/ while neutral safety input, just ground it? Could not find neutral switch cable on camry. Thanks again.
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 8:31 PM
Mike M2 wrote:
This is very simple. Connect your green lock wire to the cars blue wire for lock. For unlock you want to connect the alarms blue unlock wire AND you want to connect the light blue on plug H2 BOTH to the cars blue / YELLOW. That's it, your done! This will give you two step unlock, so the first press of disarm will unlock the drivers door only and the next press will unlock the others...
Checked the wiring informaiton for 2004 camry and found BLUE wire in car is power unlock( double pulse) and BLUE / YELLOW is Power Lock. so should I connect green lock wire to the cars BLUE / YELLOW wire for lock? and ... to BLUE? Sorry for so many questions.
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 6:39 AM
Sorry, i had the lock wires backwards! You are correct, connect the green to blue / YELLOW, and the blue to blue(but be sure to connect the light blue in harness H2 to these also). As for your question before, don't cut any wire except the starter wire. As for power, accessory, and the 2 igntions, you are just tapping into these wires not cutting them. Also, there is a second starter wire that MUST get connected through a relay. The black white you can just ground....
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: jzlitao
Date Posted: November 09, 2006 at 8:40 PM
Mike M2 wrote:
Sorry, i had the lock wires backwards! You are correct, connect the green to blue / YELLOW, and the blue to blue(but be sure to connect the light blue in harness H2 to these also). As for your question before, don't cut any wire except the starter wire. As for power, accessory, and the 2 igntions, you are just tapping into these wires not cutting them. Also, there is a second starter wire that MUST get connected through a relay. The black white you can just ground....
Hi Mike, You are the man. Many many thanks!
Posted By: angelars
Date Posted: November 09, 2006 at 9:01 PM
jzlitao wrote:
And for BLACK/ while neutral safety input, just ground it? Could not find neutral switch cable on camry.
Most cars with automatics have built in park/neutral saftey wiring so you don't need to connect this wire. Not sure why directed even has it as you're not supposed to install a remote start in a manual trans car.
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