2005 Grand Am, Viper 5900 SST

Hi

I was wondering if there are any known problems or extra costs involved with the installation of the new Viper 5900 SST into an `05 GrandAm?

I just wanted to get some input before I spend $275, even though it retails for over $600.

I assume its a pretty basic installation, but do I have to butcher up wire my wire harness or buy plugs?

Sorry I do not know much about alarms, but I am an accomplished mechanic on both cars and motorcycles.
Thanks.



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`84 GPZ900

yes you are going to have to cut your wires especially for the remote start. It souldnt be that hard, just take your time, and read/study up on what needs to be done before you actally start anything.

Not a hard car to do, but you will need a few things. First, a passlock2 bypass, like the 457G. Also, the locks are a one wire system so you will either need to use a set of relays and resistors or get an interface, like the 456L.

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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services

As far as ignition bypasses go you can use a gmdl-bp in which it will bypass passlock II and if you have fact. keyless entry it will do doorlocks and trunk release.

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Cool, thanks guys.
I see this place is like a whole different world.
I am going to get all alarm happy now, maybe install an alarm on my ninja...

Guess i better start shopping for the relays etc.

is $259.00 a good deal for that system?
it is on eBay and i am just wondering how they can sell it so cheap, or is most of the $650 MSRP for installation ?

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`84 GPZ900

Those wires from the satellite relay are pretty thick, are you guys tapping into the power from consant 12+ or the battery? Also for the parking light and headlight output, is there a need for a relay ?

1. No need to go to the battery. The constant wires at the ignition switch are plenty strong.

2. Parking light output shouldn't need any relay. Easiest place for parking lights in that car is positive trigger, brown, at the back of the radio----you'll already be there, since you'll be pulling the radio to get to the ignition wires.

3. No idea about the headlight output.

4. I'm also a big fan ov the GM-DLBP. It costs more than just a regular Passlock bypass, but it'll save you time on the locks and trunk.

It's me again...
I started the install and I cant find any reference in the book as to where to hook the (ground when running) wire from the bypass kit, it says to use with remote start installs.
Should I hook it to the factory disarm wire on the viper, it says it pulse's twice to ground?

Also, on the wire harness for the bypass kit there is a three wire plug that comes off the main harness, where does that go?
The damn bypass kit came with a one page universal instructions with all sorts of footnotes and stuff.
The viper instructions are not much better.


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`84 GPZ900

OK
I know this prolly gets old for you alarm installer veterans.
`05 Grand Am Viper 5900SST

The Viper door lock harness says
Green (-) lock (+) unlock
Blue (+) unlock (-) lock

is that telling me both wires do exactly the same thing?
or is it telling me the module and the alarm dont work well together.

My bypass module has inputs for (-) lock and (-) unlock

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`84 GPZ900

Either you maid a typo or the Viper install guide did. It should be:

Green (-) lock or (+) unlock
Blue (-) unlock or (+) lock

You can ignore the (+), so you will get:
Green (-) lock
Blue (-) unlock

Your alarm and bypass module will work fine together.

I just noticed what you have for a car. That module probably won't control the doorlocks on your car, since they are not on the databus. You need to wire in relays and resistors.

DEI calls "ground when running" either "status output" or (-) ignition output. I would use the blue "status output" wire. Definately don't use the factory alarm disarm wire. You need a wire that will hold ground the whole time the car is remote started.

It is a GMDL-BP, I think someone else posted it would save me time on the locks and trunk. bypasskit.com says it will.
I will hook it up and try.
There was no typo on my part, maybe the manual is a typo.
I am more concerned with the remote start, I can wire in relays later if needed.



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`84 GPZ900

Thanks, the directions are shady at best.
Especially if it is your first install.

Another thing is the power and ground wire for the GMDL-BP are on there own little 3 pin connector.
is that supposed to hook somewhere? i'm getting ready to chop it.

Thanks for your advice.

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`84 GPZ900

While everyone is looking at this thread.

Do i need to hookup the green starter-kill / Anti-grind wire from the Viper ?
If so does anyone know which wire on the ignition harness is the key side that it should be hooked to?

It is a real pain to get the wires in/out of the ignition switch, and almost impossible to probe them while connected to the switch.

According to the wire diagram from this site the dark green ignition harness wire is 2nd accessory, so it's not that one. I hope the wiring diagram is correct or I will have one heck of a problem when I hook the battery back up.


I'm not even sure I can get all the extra wires back through the hole.

Thanks.

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`84 GPZ900

BumpBump

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`84 GPZ900

I just hooked up the viper 5900 alarm and I cant get my bypass to program.
When i plug it in it flashes once, the instructions say to hold the program key for two seconds, wait for flash, and press again to change platforms, etc.
It does not do anything when i press and hold it for 2 seconds, but then a few times, the LED came on solid, as if it was out of programming mode. I dont know how I got it to come on solid, but it did.

Any thoughts?
The one page instruction sheet kind of sucks.

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`84 GPZ900

those things work awesome...set ur vehicle type (flashes once) press the blk button til ya get ur type...put the key in....turn on then start...done....

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The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. -jack handy

Yea but its not flashing when i press the button.


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`84 GPZ900

un plug it...then plug it back in...set it then key it...should work fine...what kind of vehicle ?

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The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. -jack handy

`05 grand am
does the ground signal from the remote start have to be activated in order to program?

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`84 GPZ900

yes the brown has to be grounded or the ignition 3 off ur alarm /remote start.....

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The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. -jack handy

usually you dont ground the brown wire or even connect it until after the module is programmed.... they can be finnicky... just plug it in and try to advance past 1 flash a few times if need be.....

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

did an 05 grand am today u have to have the key on to program the by-pass....

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The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. -jack handy

OK. I figured out how to get the bypass to change types etc.
The viper systems seems to be working, door lock and unlock, shock sensor, trunk, horn, etc.

When i try to remote start the system, it does all of its clicking etc.
The dash lights come on, doors lock, it does that 2 or 3 times, then stops. Then the horn chirps and the doors lock once more, and the viper remote beeps. I assume the remote beeps cause of no-start.

If i repeat that process with the key in the ignition turned to the run position. The Viper starts the car fine.

I'm thinking it is still a bypass problem..?

I rechecked my wiring and everything checks out, according to the diagrams I have.
The only thing is the status output wire, there is a blue/white one from the main Viper unit, and another blue one from the aux harness on the relay satellite.

Thanks.

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`84 GPZ900

well yeah if the key is on and its starts you're good to go on the remote start of it...with the key in the on but not start position plug the by pass in....it will blink once.... set it to blink "two"....then hold the button til it comes on solid....start the vehicle...you will get confirmation...then turn off the key....done  ;)

this stuff used to be so much easier when factory alarms did not exist....

grins

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The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. -jack handy