new intelligent key cars, 07 nissan
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: new intelligent key cars, 07 nissan
Posted By: jim hunter
Subject: new intelligent key cars, 07 nissan
Date Posted: November 16, 2006 at 9:24 PM
has anyone done a remote start in any of the 07 nissans, or the 06/07 caddys that have no ign key? ( just have fob in car and press button on dash while holding brake down)
getting it to work is not my issue, im concerned about safety as if fob is in car anyone can start it anytime, and if its running remotely, thief breaks window, gets in drives away as hitting brake would not shut car off just r/s module
any help appreciated as i have a nissan dealer thats clamoring for some, but im concerned about theft liability
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Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: November 17, 2006 at 6:38 AM
Chris Luongo did an extensive post on the Avalon that has a similar system. You can find what he posted here. In that post he suggests using the door trigger to shut down the starter. Even though the owner would have to re-start the vehicle when they got in, at least the vehicle is warmed up/cooled down.
Posted By: hydroz_23
Date Posted: November 20, 2006 at 10:06 PM
none of the nissans have the push button just the inteligent key knob inside that you turn. only the infinity m35/m45 have the push button.all you have to do is power up the right keysense wire it has two wires one for when the key slot is pushed in without a key in it and one that powers when there is a key in the slot. it is black red at a 6 pin gray plug (+) power that up so that it knows what key to look for. i have read the post on the avalon and nissans are nothing like that you dont have to shut the car down then re-start. the m35 would be similar to that. dont know much about the caddys.
Posted By: jim hunter
Date Posted: November 21, 2006 at 8:29 AM
your right, i knew that, but i was referring to the fact of having to have the fob in the car for the knob to work, therefore for the starter to work, so how could it be secure ( live near detroit here) i mean a thief knows which cars have this feature and if they see one running they can just break window and drive away or jump in at any time and turn knob and drive away couldnt they or is there some way to secure the car that im unaware of?
Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: November 21, 2006 at 9:03 AM
I have posted this a few times. On a nissan/infiniti with the knob you have to turn, make sure you energize the keysense with a timer relay set to 15 seconds for before, during crank, and a few seconds afterwards. That way the keysense will shut off after the car is running and then you can't turn the knob without a valid smart key nearby.
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: November 21, 2006 at 11:03 AM
Twelvoltz, thanks for the compliment!
jim hunter:
--For Nissans with Intelligent Key, but a regular, key-cylinder type ignition switch, do some searches here for the Infiniti FX, Infiniti G, and Nissan Murano. There is a good amount of information out there.
johnmax's tip about engergizing the keysense for only a short period of time is a good one, and will keep the car from being stolen while it is running.
(john, I had never thought before of what you said, but I tried it recently and it works great.)
Also, if you use the XK05 / PKN3 from bypasskit.com, you don't need keysense at all, and the car remians secure.
---For the 2007 Altima with pushbutton start, the procedure is pretty much the same as for the Infiniti M, although with different wiring colors.
I'll make a post with the wire colors sometime soon, when I have the chance.
However, the immobilizer bypass for the Altima is much more difficult. I found an improper but easy way...... and the guys at bypasskits.com had anther method, but I didn't have the right kind of small wire to try it.
Right now, I'm typing from my car in a dealer's parking lot on a quick break at work. But I have some notes, and I'll make a more detailed post about the Altima soon.
Posted By: jim hunter
Date Posted: November 23, 2006 at 9:54 AM
hey guys how long after car is running does it stop looking for the transponder?i will be using an audiovox system and i have a ground before stART, ground during crank, ground after started and a ground after shut down, each wire as a couple second pulse, could i diode isolate and use the first three on the key sense or does it need to last longer ? really hate pulse timers! LOLamy help is appreciated so many of these new cars are so sensitive makes it scary to try to just screw with and figure it out, cause the least little thing seems to set codes and the such
hell maybe i just lost my edge, i used to relish trying to figure out the odd new cars but now they wiz me off! LOL! also chris, i am impressed with your posts and i must say if tech services had guys like you things would be so much better, too many "company jerks" telling you the company line and/or reading our of a chiltons manual, which as we now aint the same as out in the install field
Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: November 24, 2006 at 1:53 PM
It looks for the transponder before and during crank, and thats it. Why don't you like pulse timers? The Dei one is a piece of cake. Like wiring a regular relay and turning a dial for the time you need. If you are doing a newer DEI remote start, you can make an extra channel have a timed output, and then link it to remote start, giving you a timed output. Then just cut the pink/white ignition 2 on the relay ribbon harness (there is no ign2 on these knob intelligent key cars), and tie your linked channel output to that cut ribbon wire. Then hook up the heavy pink/white to the keysense (your linked channel output will fire this up as a timed output). Done. No pulse timer relay necessary then. But with your audiovox, youre gonna need the pulse timer.
Posted By: raceway
Date Posted: November 28, 2006 at 7:42 PM
DOES ANY ONE KNOW HOW TO INSTALL ALARM IN IN A 2007 ALTIMA WITH SMART KEY
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raceway
Posted By: dougyork
Date Posted: December 01, 2006 at 5:55 PM
Question from a novice at all of this...my wife and I are considering purchasing a 2007 Altima. What is the anticipated battery life of the battery that makes the Intelligent Key function. I understand this is not an option on the Altima as it is with a Camry and therefore those of us who are worried that someday, years from now, the battery will die when we are off on vacation in some remote are reluctant to embrace this relatively new system. This question comes from the experience of having a remote keyless door opener go out on me but of course that wasn't a problem because I used the plain old key to unlock the door of our Mercury. Thanks for any help.
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: December 01, 2006 at 6:57 PM
dougyork,
When the battery in the Intelligent Key fails, here is what you do:
1. Put your finger on the little release lever on the backside of the Intelligent key, which allows it to split in half.
One of the halves is a standard metal key; use this to unlock the door and enter the car.
2. Insert the main part of the Intelligent Key into the slot on the dash, to the left of the steering wheel. Then, start the car the way you normally would.
--As far as I know, you can start and stop the car as many times as you want using this method, until you get the remote's battery replaced.
--It seems to me that this system should be just as reliable as any other car with a transponder-based anti-theft system (which most all modern cars have).
If the entire Intelligent Key fell into a garbage disposal or something likt that, and got totally mangled, well, I'd imagine you'd be stranded------but that would go just the same for "regular" cars too.
Posted By: NismaX
Date Posted: December 27, 2006 at 6:45 PM
Hi,
For what I have read on the new '07's Fortin looks to have a solution. It is really different than what we have had to deal with in the past. For what I make of it they are bypassing the push button start all together. They have instructions on the CAN-SL regarding installation. Interfacing with a module behind the instrument cluster and under the hood. Looks like quite a job compared to what it used to be.
The CAN bus modules are pretty expensive as I am told by my distrubutors. I was quoted almost $100 for it.
I was really hoping that this new developement for a CAN bus bypass would also be able to start the car as well. It may be a part that will soon be in development.
Jon
Traveling Electronics
Posted By: NismaX
Date Posted: December 27, 2006 at 6:45 PM
Sorry for the double post
Hi,
For what I have read on the new '07's Fortin looks to have a solution. It is really different than what we have had to deal with in the past. For what I make of it they are bypassing the push button start all together. They have instructions on the CAN-SL regarding installation. Interfacing with a module behind the instrument cluster and under the hood. Looks like quite a job compared to what it used to be.
The CAN bus modules are pretty expensive as I am told by my distrubutors. I was quoted almost $100 for it.
I was really hoping that this new developement for a CAN bus bypass would also be able to start the car as well. It may be a part that will soon be in development.
Jon
Traveling Electronics
Posted By: turbo_boss
Date Posted: December 29, 2006 at 5:35 PM
Twelvoltz wrote:
In that post he suggests using the door trigger to shut down the starter. Even though the owner would have to re-start the vehicle when they got in, at least the vehicle is warmed up/cooled down.
What about using the reverse light? If a thief want to steel the car durinfd the engine is on, when he move the shift to D it will pass thru R and the reverse light wire will get power for like a seg and it will shut down the engine. Isaac
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