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Adding Remote Start To An Existing Alarm

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=86431
Printed Date: May 28, 2024 at 10:29 PM


Topic: Adding Remote Start To An Existing Alarm

Posted By: steveo200077
Subject: Adding Remote Start To An Existing Alarm
Date Posted: November 29, 2006 at 10:52 PM

i has a autopage rf520lcd i diddent come with remote start.
I was wondering if there was a remote start module that could run off one of the aux outputs on the rf520lcd



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Posted By: swamprat323
Date Posted: November 29, 2006 at 11:29 PM
yes if you have an aux output you can get a RS add on several companys make them DEI 561T is a good one just do a search for DEI 561T. you find severl site that sell them




Posted By: NowYaKnow
Date Posted: November 29, 2006 at 11:53 PM
There are add on systems, but I generally would advise removing what's there and replacing with a complete Remote start/alarm system. You run into some issues of the alarm going off when it sees the ignition come on for R/S, the car starting setting the shock off, and other random things. Nothing you can't get around, but it can be a pain to use both together sometimes.

Mike




Posted By: gcguy
Date Posted: December 01, 2006 at 10:41 PM

I have purchased a standalone RS unit to put into an 03 Grand Caravan with aftermarket alarm installed by a local shop.

The existing alarm is a k-9 classic with 3rd channel output.  If I use the 3rd channel output to trigger the RS, would the alarm go off?

I'm also concerned with the alarm not being able to disarm afte RS since the ignition wire will be energized.

To get around this, would I be alright to use a relay to disconnect the ignition wire from the alarm while remotestarted?





Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 01, 2006 at 10:56 PM

All aftermarket "add-on" remote start units will have whats called an "ignition bypass"  What this does is disconnect the ignition feed to the security system during remote start so it does not false and the remote transmitter works as normal. It is only one wire..not a big deal at all. Now I know DEI products automatically bypass the sensor inputs when using a spare channel to prevent a sensor from triggering..if your system does not have a built in sensor bypass..you can fix that easy with a relay. But first try it because  your sensor may not trigger just from start. If it does take a relay and connect 86 to ignition...85 to ground. Cut the power wire off the sensor and put one side to 30..one to 87a..this will bypass the sensor during remote start only..everything back to normal when the car is off..so simple really. If the system has a neg out during RS..even better..connect that wire to 85..86 to ignition..and 30 and 87a as before to sensor +

Enjoy



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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 01, 2006 at 11:03 PM
Ok..now with a stand alone....it might have an ignition bypass wire or not. If it doesn't..wire the relay as such.....take the ignition wire of the alarm system and connect it to 87a...put 30 and 86 to the ignition harness of the vehicle. ground 85. This will send ignition to the alarm as normal ..but take it away during RS so effectivly bypassing it..also easy.

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Posted By: gcguy
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 7:40 AM

Hi master5,

Using the method you just posted, wouldn't the relay be active whenever the engine is running, including while driving the vehicle? It seems like I would be able to lock and unlock the alarm even when the car is running.

Thanks





Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 11:57 AM
Yes it would so you need to use the second method ..if any unit does not have the appropriate output i would need to see a wiring diagram or use diodes..but either way it won't be difficult unless someone considers connecting a few wires to a relay as difficult...if that's the case they should not consider this industry.

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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 12:32 PM
If you remote start does not have an ignition bypass of the appropriate neg. output wire..use this method...simple
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Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 12:36 PM

gcguy...hope that helped.

sorry the other circuit was wrong..been a long week..lol

Take care



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Posted By: gcguy
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 4:42 PM

Thanks

I just a have a few more questions before tackling this project.

1) Certain functions for this van requires a resister or diode isolate.  Would you just solder a resistor or diode  to it without using anything to protect so it doesn't twist or bend and end up breaking apart?  I know from school that these parts are really thin.

2) Anything that is negative triggered should be safe?  We need to be more cautious of positive triggered inputs?

3) The kit does not include anyting to allow for the powerwire to be attached to the battery. What part do you use to attach it?





Posted By: master5
Date Posted: December 02, 2006 at 6:02 PM

The best way to connect diodes and resistors is with solder and shrink tube..just be careful not to overheat ..you can use an alligator clip or small plyers as a heat sink..if you don't have shrink tube you can use a quality electrical tape but regardless make sure you insulate the leads for a safer installation. If you can't solder you can use small ga. butt connectors but pull on the connection to make sure it's solid and insulate and exposed leads. I don't like using connectors for that but it can work if done right. Use zip ties to secure everything so it won't pull apart if stuff gets moved around.

The main reason it is stated to be more cautious with positive outputs is because in a vehicle there is alot of exposed metal and if anything positive touches it..you have a short. But this is not to say you should be careless with negative or any other connections..for a safe and reliable installation every connection should be solid and well insulated.

For most  systems I connect my power connection by soldering to the constant at the ignition harness and fusing it there. However some newer vehicles have lower current constant at the harness..you can tell if it is not at least a 12ga. or larger. Some just prefer to always go to the battery regardless. If you choose to go directly to the battery use at least a 10ga..and fuse it close to the battery. Use a ring terminal to a bolt on the terminal if top post..if side post you should use a post extender. If there is a junction off a heavy gauge wire from the battery already you can connect there as well.



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