04 grand am, add on remote start

I just got my add on remote start setup in the mail today. I wanted to buy the add on unit because I wanted to use the factory remote. I know I am limited to distance of the factory remote but this if fine I am very rarely need to start car when it is more than a stones throw away.(still far enough though that it will be warm when I get there:)I purchased the Crimestopper 1300DP unit. I also bought a DB-GMDLBP module because I was told I would need it. I also bought a T wiring harness that is supposed to go behind the factory radio to save me from splicing into my heavy gauge wires. Can someone help me get started on finding the wiring info for this car. It is a 2004 Pontiac Grand Am. Im still a little confused how and why I am hooking up this DB-GMDLBP unit. If someone could help me I'd appreciate it.

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Barnsy

2003-2005 grand am

12 constant-red and RED / black(use both)

starter-yellow

ignition 1-pink

ign 2-dk green

heater/accessory-orange

tach-PURPLE / white or white(at PCM under hood)

brake-white

theft- passlock 2 use the yellow(+) and the black(-) white not used . you need that bypass to generate the resistence code your ignition generates everytime you use your key. but when you remote start your bypass will generate this resistence. these wire will be found when you remove the steering column shroud's. follow your units instructions for hooking it up and all will be good. hope this helps. test your wires wires as you go to ensure correct connection's!!

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WesMan

the gmdlbp is overkill but will still work for this car. all you need to hook up is the red, black brown and purple wires from the bp. red and black are constant power and chassis ground, the brown is ground out while running from the remote start unit, and the purple wire hooks up to the diagnostic port under dash to the only purple wire in the plug. parking light wire is at the radio, brown. there are two brown wires at the radio, it's the one that is not twisted around the yellow. tach is actually white under dash in harness going out through the firewall. there are a lot of white wires, i normally just hook up wire and try programming, if it is wrong wire, it won't program and won't hurt it either. good luck

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My rifle is my friend...

You say the brown wire is ground out while running in remote start mode. What exactly is this? thanks

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Barnsy

where does the brown wire hook into?

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Barnsy

What a way to spend New Years! I am installing my wifes remote start add on on her 2004 pontiac grand am. I thought I had a good idea what I was doing until I did a little searching on recent posts and became confused. I tried anyway to hook up the unit but am having problems. Let me first explain what I have. I bought a crimestopper model RS-1300DP add on remote start.(I bought crimestopper because the othe 4 units I installed were crimestopper and  I thought they were rathe user friendly. I bought a GM-6 T harness, and I bought the DB-GMDL-BP.(I was told this was overkill but it could be still used)  

Here is how I hooked it up by using the info I got online.

I took  the T connector I just unplugged the switch plug and plugged this in the middle. I then tested the wires with a meter and they worked fine. I then started car and it worked like it did before the T connector was put on.

Then I took out the main 7 wire plug and put 6 spade ends on the wires and plugged them into the correct T connector fitting. I then took the final white wire and sodered it into the parking light wire.

Next I took the the three wires comming of RS unit that are dedicated to the lock portion of the system. I took the red wire and folded it ove and taped it up. I then took the Green wire and connected it to the Green wire of the DB-GMDL-BP unit. I did the same with  the Blue wire. Blue to Blue. I then plugged in the program switch to the RS and laid it off to the side.

Next I took out out the 11 wire plug for the RS unit and wired as follows.

Black- Ground to chasis(non existing made own and checked with meter)

Yellow/White- hooked up to black wire in smaller grey plug under glove box in the black box

I then took out the GM-GMDL-BP and was reading that I only had to hook up the purple wire to the diagnious purple wire in the plug under the dash.(other than the power, ground, lock, unlock,

I hooked up purple to purple,

I hooked up green to green on RS, AS stated above

I hooked up blue to blue    "        "     "       "            "

I hooked up red to the T connector(sodered into side wire)

Black to ground.

A green wire goes to the lock system to tell when to start (lock, lock, lock,)  I guess this is the same green wires as above.

This is as far as I can get. I read about having to hook up the Brown wire in the DB_GMDL to a ground when running but I can not figure out what this is.

If someone can help I would be grateful. Thanks and Happy New Year!

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Barnsy

and the wire that triggers your remote starter, your "lock lock lock" should be to the lock motor wire.  Not just the lock wire of the car.  It should be in the drivers kick panel, its a gray wire

so there may not be an actual wire designated for this ground when on?

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Barnsy

I kow I'm really tired but I'm having a hard time grasping the difference between the Lock wire and the lock motor wire. Can you "Learn me"   Thanks alot for taking the time to help me out.

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Barnsy

The ground out while running is the yellow/black wire on the crimestoppers.The green remote start trigger wire gets hooked to the White (lock)wire in the drivers kick panel,This way when the lock button is pressed 3 times the car will remote start,you will also have to program the unit for 3 pulses on the green wire to start(option #5 on programming page).

Ok thanks,

I think I have almost all my questions answered about the wires except a few.

For example on the RS unit do I hook the RED / white wire to tach or can I leave that off?

The purple wire to the 12v+ brake pedel?

Wht do you hook the brown wire to? It says it is a trunk pop. Can I leave that off?

On the DB-GMDL-Bp unit. Where does the ORange- wire go? It says for the type of car I am using it on it is a trunk input.

I'm also having problems being able to switch the vehicle type on the unit. It is defaulted at 1 but I need to to go to 2 and it is being stubborn. Thanks again.

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Barnsy

you don't have to hook up the RED / white tach wire-These units work good in tachless mode.
The purple brake switch wire is mandatory!
Thr brown trunk release wire from the crimestopper goes to the orange trunk input wire on the gmdlbp,you don't need this wire if using factory remote.
Keep trying to get the gmdlbp into type 2 mode,I just had a bad GMDLBP yesterday,so if after several attempts if it won't go to type 2 then it's probably bad.also you don't need to hook up the green and blue doorlock wires from the remote start to the gmdlbp if your using the factory remotes.

ok thanks,

How do you get the gmdlbp to switch over to type 2?

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Barnsy

if you don't have the instructions,go to bypasskit.com and get the manual for the GMDLBP.

***VIOLET/WHITE (-) Connect this wire to disarm wire from remote car starter
ONLY if the OEM alarm sounds once when remote starting vehicle.
In a Type 1 & 4 installation the orange wire can be used to activate
the vehicles panic mode as long as the remote system has a dedicated panic output.
A horn output is not suitable since it is also used to provide confirmation chirps, etc...
Which will result in triggering the panic function.
****ORANGE (-)
**BROWN (-) For reliable conversion of analog to digital, all (-) input wires require
a solid ground to activate each command function. Relays are not required except in
cases in which the output(s) ground signal is insufficient.
(Example: transistor +/- doorlock outputs)
TECH NOTES:
RED (+) (+) 12 VOLTS CONSTANT
ORANGE(-) ****PANIC INPUT TYPE 1 & 4, TRUNK INPUT FOR TYPE 2 & 3
BLUE (-) UNLOCK INPUT
VIOLET DATA OUTPUT CONNECT TO VIOLET DATA WIRE OF ODBII (PIN#2)
BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND (-)
NEGATIVE GROUND OUTPUT WHEN RUNNING
(REMOTE START INSTALLATIONS ONLY)
** (-)
BROWN (-)
Programming button
PINK/WHITE(-) DOOR TRIGGER OUTPUT
GREEN (-) LOCK INPUT
VIOLET/WHITE *** SEE TECH NOTES
PINK DOME LIGHT INPUT FROM VEHICLE (MODE 6 DETERMINES INPUT POLARITY)
NOTE:
PINK and PINK/WHITE wires are used when
installing a remote starter alarm combination system
ONLY
REMOTE
STARTER
TYPE 5: Passlock 2 and Passlock 3 Bypass Only (No Doorlock Function)
ONLY MODE 1, 6 AND 7 ARE AVAILABLE
OPTION PROGRAMMING CHART
Mode Selection Option Programming *Default Value
Mode1:Doorlock output *Option 1: 1st PULSE: Driver Priority Function
2nd PULSE: Unlock all doors
Option 2: 1st PULSE: Unlock all doors
Mode6:Domelight polarity *Option 1: Positive(+) Polarity
Option 2: Negative(-) Polarity
Mode7:Reset Mode *Option 1: Reset to Default Values
IMPORTANT: The BYPASSKIT will detect all door triggers thru the data line
for ONLY TYPE 2 and TYPE 3 vehicles. When the interface kit detects an open
door thru the data line, it will send a (-) negative trigger on the PINK/WHITE:
[door trigger output (-)] wire.
DEFAULT VEHICLE PLATFORM SETTING IS TYPE 1
IF THIS IS THE VEHICLE PLATFORM REQUIRED SKIP TO “STEP 2”.
1) To change the , press and release the program button
until the LED flash rate is the same as the TYPE of vehicle required.
Vehicle Platform Setting
The
number of flashes from the LED confirms the Vehicle Platform Type that has
been selected.
Ex: 1 flash = TYPE 1, 2 flashes = TYPE 2, and so on...
Please note the module is already in Vehicle Platform
TYPE 1. Press the programming button to advance to
the next TYPE selection (3X times in total). The LED will then flash 4 times
to confirm TYPE 4 selection.
2) Once Vehicle Platform Type has been selected, press & hold program button
until LED blinks once to confirm setting is saved & ready to program to vehicle.
3) Release programming button and the LED will come ON solid.
4) Start the vehicle with the ignition key: The LED will turn off confirming the
BYPASSKIT is programmed to the vehicle.
EX: If TYPE 4 is required:
STEP 1 - VEHICLE TYPE SELECTION
The BYPASSKIT is designed to operate on any one of 5 possible vehicle
platform types. Once the BYPASSKIT has been successfully connected, the
next step is to program the BYPASSKIT to operate on the appropriate
Vehicle Platform Type. See Vehicle Platform Chart below.
VEHICLE PLATFORM SETTING
1-Start with the key in “OFF” position. Press and hold the program button for 2 seconds.
LED will flash for approximately 3 seconds, PAUSE, then flash once more to indicate
entry into MODE1 (DOORLOCK SELECTION).
2-To advance to next MODE, press BYPASSKIT program button again. A flash of LED
will confirm what MODE you are in.
Ex: 1 flash = MODE 1, 2 flashes = MODE 2, and so on...
3-Once you have entered the MODE selection you require: you may then change your
options. Advance the OPTION by pressing the LOCK or UNLOCK button from your
aftermarket transmitter.
4-The vehicle horn will chirp once (1X) or twice (2X) to indicate option level.
5-To exit the OPTION PROGRAMMING: Press and hold the program button until the
LED flashes once (1X).
6-To return or change another OPTION, go to step 1.
PROPOTGIORNAPMRMOGINRAGMOMPINTGION MODE
Depending in priority may have to features. See on the type of vehicle and/or aftermarket system being used
conjunction with the BYPASSKIT: Some options such as door lock
be optimized to correctly integrate the OEM
Option Programming Chart below.
IMPORTANT: DO NOT CONNECT VIOLET
DATA OUTPUT WIRE OF INTERFACE MODULE
TO VEHICLE DATA WIRE (PIN 2) UNTIL EVERY
OTHER WIRE HAS BEEN CONNECTED & THE
HARNESS HAS BEEN PLUGGED INTO THE
DATA BUS INTERFACE (DL) MODULE.
VEHICLES 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998
ALERO (FACTORY REMOTE ONLY) 2 2 2 2 2
ASCENDER 1 1 1
AURORA 2 2 2
AVALANCHE 4 4 4 4
BONNEVILLE 2 2 2 2 2 2
BRAVADA 1 1 1
CADILLAC CTS 2 2 2 2
CADILLAC SRX 2
CADILLAC STS/SLS 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
DEVILLE 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
ENVOY 1 1 1 1 1
ESCALADE 4 4 4
GRAND AM (FACTORY REMOTE ONLY) 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
H2 HUMMER 4 4 4 4
IMPALA LS 5 5 5 5 5 5
LE SABRE 2 2 2 2 2 2
MONTECARLO 5 5 5 5 5 5
PARK AVENUE 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
PICKUP SIERRA 4 4 4 4
PICKUP SILVERADO 4 4 4 4
RAINIER 1 1 1
SIERRA 4 4 4 4
SILVERADO 4 4 4 4
SRX 2 2
SSR 1 1
SUBURBAN 4 4 4 4
TAHOE 4 4 4 4
TRAILBLAZER 1 1 1 1 1
ULTRA 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3
YUKON DENALI 4 4 4
VEHICLE PLATFORM CHART
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I have them they just arent that great. The say to change the vehicle platform type press and release the program buttun until the correct number of flashes. This doesn't do anything. thanks

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Barnsy

Try to un-plug the gmdlbp for a minute then plug it back in and try to re-set the platform again.

ok i will thanks alot for you help

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Barnsy

good luck,I'm going to bed!

hope you got it working, and from my experience when doing an addon system you need to hook up the activation wire to the lock motor wire.   Most systems require a positive double pulse, or in your case, 3 pulses.  In an 04 GrandAm the lock wire of the car controls both lock and unlock.  This is controlled through 2 specific resistances (using resistors).  Lock is a straight negative trigger and unlock i believe is a negative pulse through a 1.5K ohm resistor.  Hence, you cannot use this wire to activate a remote starter.   Now, to 'learn' you on the lock motor.  In the GrandAm everything is controlled through databus. (that purple wire in the ODBII connector)  So its alittle different than your normal Honda or Toyota.  BUt anyways, when you press the lock button on the door it sends a pulse to the lock motor of the car whichs locks the doors.  But like mentioned above will only show ground (the test light may get brighter/duller when you press the button - thats the different resistance).  Or if using a DMM the voltage will go to striaght ground or a lesser voltage.  This will not show a positive pulse on the lock motor wire when just pressing the unlock button..  But!!!! If you press the lock button on the factory key FOB that positive pulse your looking for will show up on that lock motor wire, hence remote starting the car.   phhheewwww that was a mouthfull, but hopefully that helps you out.  So just find that gray wire in the drivers kick and test it by pressing the lock button on the factory remote.  Good luck

Almost have it working. Can someone help me figure out how to change the vehicle type on this GBDLPB. IT is stuck on default one and i need it on 2. All it wants to do is change the options menu. I also cannot get my factory remote to do anthing during programming. ANy tips? I need to have this running before 4 to go to inlaws for diner.

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Barnsy

The crimestopper unit itself seems to be working. I turn key on and it beeps/flashes 4 times and is ready for remote program, but remote is not cooperating. If I turn key on and press program button 5 times it flashes and beeps f5 times and is ready to program the optional 22 options. This is it. I cannot get the GMDLBP or the REMOTE to work. ANy advice?  I hooked the white wire up to the green trigger. It was the only wire that moved the meter when the locks were triggered. I do believe though that it may have been around a 12v feed. Does this sound plausible?

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Barnsy

the white wire will not work, thats why its NOT programming most likely.. Does the programming require you to press the factory remote lock button?   You need to use the positive activation off of the remote starter or use a relay to use the negative activation..

if anything just tap the negative activation wire to ground to program the features..  if it that works then you need to do what i said above

Yes during the remote part of the programming it says to "turn on the key press the program button 4 times and they push the lock button on the remote and presto the car should beep 2 or 3 times to show it took but nothing is happening.

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Barnsy

so take the green wire and hook it to ground then try to program the remote?  Why will white wire not work?    One more question before I head back out to the garage. Do you have any ideas how to get this GMPDBP off of type 1 platform and over to type 2. ( my idea is a BFH, aka Big Freakin Hammer    No I know that wont get me anywhere but aver 6 hrs I'm getting a little edgy. thanks again.

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Barnsy

when your supposed to press the lock button on the remote, tap it to ground instead

oh so I wont actually be pushing the button at all? Will this program the remote?

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Barnsy

ok  I will thanks alot. Sorry I'm a little slow here I've only installed 5. Do you know the other question I have about the GMDLBP?  Thanks

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Barnsy

I think your a little confused on programing-On your model(1300dp)there are no remotes,so when it says to press the lock or un-lock button on the remote -your suppose to hit the brake pedal,check your book on page 17 on line #5.

If you find that gray lock wire you can wire a relay like this.
term 85.-ground(-)
term 87.-ground(-)
term 86.-grey lock motor wire (+)
term 30.-green start activation wire on Crimestopper

sorry, im alittle impatient when it comes to explaining things.. and sorry if i pointed you in the wrong direction with the programming, with DEI you would tap the wire to pos/neg if the remote wasnt working for programming.  But what prdjr165 said about the relay is how you should wire it..

hey no problem "Impatient help" is better than no help   Oh by the way guess what?    I got it!! Thanks for all your help. The biggest pain after putting in the relay was the gmdlbp. It took awhile to reprogram it. Thanks again

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Barnsy

no problem, glad to hear you got it working