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99 forerunner add on remote start

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 22, 2024 at 8:01 PM


Topic: 99 forerunner add on remote start

Posted By: ShaunD912
Subject: 99 forerunner add on remote start
Date Posted: February 01, 2003 at 10:49 AM

I'm installing an Omega add on remote start unit in a 99 toyota forerunner.  According to the DEI sheet I have, the wire for power locks is BROWN / white in the passenger kick.  I found this wire and it tests correctly when you turn the key in the door.  However, I need a wire that will show negative when you press the lock button on the factory keyless remote in order to activate the remote start.  Does anybody know where I can find a wire to do this?  Thanks.

Shaun




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Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 01, 2003 at 12:15 PM
Also, I'm having trouble finding the brake wire and the parking light wire.  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks.




Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 01, 2003 at 5:54 PM

Well, I found the parking light and brake wire and I tried something with the lock wire going to the lock actuator.  It showed 12 volts when the lock button is pressed and I reversed the polarity.  This works fine to crank the vehicle up, but after it's running the keyless entry remote doesn't work anymore.  Any suggestions please.





Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: February 01, 2003 at 9:51 PM

Toyota keyless doesn't work with the motor running.  Better to do it the right way the first time---buy a remote starter that also includes its own keyless.  Also, if the unit has a trunk-release channel that makes a steady output as long as you hold down the button on the remote, it is possible to use it to roll down the rear window.





Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 02, 2003 at 10:48 AM
Does anybody know how to interface with the rear window when adding a keyless entry unit?  It is not listed on the DEI tech sheet, and I'm not sure where to begin looking.  Thanks.




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: February 02, 2003 at 6:00 PM
The rear window I believe is trggered by the key switch so you will need to get into the hatch door and test for the wire that is normally ground and turns 12 volts when key is turned.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: February 03, 2003 at 9:18 PM

Window rolldown is pretty easy.  Up and down are simply negative triggers from the switch, but the ignition must also be on........you'll need one relay and an optional diode.....it's pretty easy.

First, find the wires coming from the switch.  Go to the front of the fuse box, to the plug below the fuses.  Find these two wires:  red, and RED / black.........one is up, one is down.....I just forget which.  They'll show a ground when you press the window switch.

Now, here's how to set it up.....

Take the auxillary output of the alarm, and send it to terminal 85 of a relay.  Also, make another wire that goes from here, over to the car's red (or RED / black) wire.

86 and 87 get constant, fused, positive power.

87a is not used.

30 goes to the BLACK / YELLOW "second ignition" wire at the ignition switch.

So, when you press the button on your remote, it directly triggers the wire coming from the window switch, and at the same time, the relay powers up the car's second ignition circuit----this will bring the window down (or up).

TWO NOTES:

1.  There is one small quirk in the setup I outlined above----even when the car is off, the "window down" switch on the dashboard will still energize your relay-----this basically means that the window can be rolled down at all times.  If you like this, fine.  If you don't like it, insert a diode inline on the wire that goes from 85 to the "window down" wire on the car.

2.  The window takes about four to five seconds to roll completely down.  You'll want the auxillary output of your remote starter to make a steady output as long as you hold the button------unfortunately, some units only make a one-second pulse for trunk release.  If this is the case, you can press the button over and over until the window comes all the way down, or better yet, do something to extend the pulse, either with capacitors or a timer relay.





Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 16, 2003 at 11:35 PM
Where can I find a timer relay? How do they work? I mean can you adjust the time on them or are they set? Thanks.




Posted By: Phill McCrank
Date Posted: February 17, 2003 at 6:07 AM
man you guys are making this too difficult.  power up the rear window relays using the trigger wire for them in the drivers kick. you can also find the neg. up and down wires there.  im not sure what color they are but i belive they are in the same plug as the hatch trigger wire. the hatch trigger color and location should be on the dei tech sheet.  if you are using a remote start with a second channel output, it should let you program it for validity output, meaning it stays on as long as you hold down the button on the remote, you can use just that output and no pulse timmer relay.  you will still need two relays and two diodes.  you also need to choose weather you want it to roll the window up or down. you cant do both with only one output.  use one relay to send power to the relays and one to trigger the motor.  split the ch 2 output with diodes and tag one to each relay. the factory relays for the window are in the rear hatch so your only other option is to do a reverse polarty setup at the motor in the hatch, this would be a pain in the ass. as far as the door locks go you can get them at the fusebox. they will only test from the pass key cylinder. this will override the child saftey and you dont need to go to the pass. kick or hool up the second unlock override wire. i would definetly ditch the factory keyless and go with a remote start w/ keyless.

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Phill Bowen
Lead Installer,
Master of all trades.




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: February 17, 2003 at 5:42 PM
What brand and model remote start/keyless unit are you going to buy? As Phill states, some units have programmable outputs. The DEI Valet 552T is programmable. The Audiovox Pursuit PRO-9175FT4 or Audiovox Prestige APS-685 have an Option button that will last up to 8 seconds; this is suitable. Or, if your unit has only a 1-second output, there are two ways to deal with it.

DEI makes a timer relay...I think it's the 610T or 611T or something like that. Or try the TR-7 from PAC (www.go2pac.com). I have never used either one---I would presume you go through some programming sequence, and then the relay stays on as long as you set it for.

You can also extend the time on any regular relay with the use of ordinary capacitors, available at any electronics store. Get polarized capacitors, and ask the person at the store to show you which side is positive and which is negative. Attach the positive side of the capacitor to 86 of the relay; the negative side to 85.

Add more capacitors, again directly to 85 and 86 just like the first one, until the relay stays on as long as you want it to. I find that 4700uF capacitors are good for about 3/4 second each---I know I needed five of them to do a Sequoia.




Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 23, 2003 at 9:16 AM
Instead of powering two relays, is there a wire to power at the window relay in the hatch that will use the factory relay to roll the window down. It operates like the 529t from the factory. It seems like it would be much easier to just send the signal to the factory relay, but I'm not sure which wire it is or if it's possible. Thanks.




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: February 23, 2003 at 10:18 AM
You'll only need one relay, not two.

The negative-trigger red and RED / black wires coming from the switch DO power the factory relays; you can hear them clicking when you move the switch.

The reason you need your own relay is because the rear window is only enabled when the ignition is on....your relay is only used to power up the BLACK / YELLOW wire at the ignition switch.

If you had a Toyota service manual for the car, you might be able to rewire the vehicle so that the rear window gets power at all times; this would eliminate the need for the relay. But to go through the car to figure this out would take a good amount of time, and the customer might not like that his window works all the time now.

So think about the time it would require to sit down with the service manual, then go tearing into the car, then rewire it, then argue with the customer about why his window works all the time now....wiring up one relay is certainly easier than this.

Also, if you're doing a remote start that comes with external relays, like a DEI or Bulldog, you could make a setup that would trigger the 2nd ignition relay that's in the relay pack....this would be easier than setting up your own.




Posted By: ShaunD912
Date Posted: February 23, 2003 at 5:45 PM
I got it to work. I used a 611t timer relay to power two relays. One sent a - signal to the RED / black wire while the other powered both ignition wires. It would not roll the window down with only the second ignition powered. But everything works now. On the factory remote when you press the window button, it would roll all the way down. I was hoping to find a wire in the factory window relay to do this for me, but I had to add a timer instead. I'm just glad it works.
Thanks everybody.





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