hardest car to do a remote start?

Worst ive done recently probably the VW's...

new dodges arent really hard, just time consuming.

New dodges/chryslers ain't hard if you have the premo- version of the databus/bypasskit (the one that does 2nd start/accy, locks/rear hatch, etc)

If anyone has sucessfully installed a remote start into a late model Audi A8 or Q7 post how you did it , and what you used. I would gladly give my first born (if I had a wife and kids) for this info.

Thanks

Rather then posting what is difficult or a PITA, lets get a list going of what anyone has found impossible to do, like I have with those Audis (late A8's and Q7's)..this way if someone has figured it out and can post, it would be a real help.

Thanks

I would agree that the 05 Malibus and the 07 Dodge Calibers are time consuming and real tight space to work at.

jm

rudydapump wrote:

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i have no problem with the Malibus, I did an 05 and an 06 back to back before noon (i go in at 10).

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Id like to see the cleanliness under the dash of those two cars :wink:

customaudiony, when you say late model audi a8's what year are you referring to?  I did a 2003 with no problem at all

tbone587, We have experienced no problems with a 2003 model or just about any german vehicle that year. We recently picked up an Audi dealership and the vehicles they send us are typically 06-up. The A4's have been cooperative.

However, we have not been able to get a RS to work in the 06 and 07 A8's and Q7's. I don't really know at what point they changed but we have an opportunity to do alot of these but no luck in getting one to work. If you or anyone can shed some light that would be great.

We have looked into a company in Canada that claims they make a module that will work but it looks extremely confusing and when I called the company for tech assistance I got a voice mail in french, I only speak english. No one has yet to have a solution and I have been asking around for about 4 months now. We have tried the DEI module and a couple others with no success.

All the dealer really wants is for us to add RS capability to the factory keyless so we don't need to have a mod that does everything. Basically a way to control ign, acc and crank is all we need, I am sure bypassing the immobilizer should be simple enough using off the shelf parts.

dswift, thank you for the suggestions but ldatalink only has units for the Audi 4 series and FORTIN is the company from Canada I mentioned previosly. They seem to be the only company that even mentions the Q7, but not the A8's. I would be willing to try one in a Q7 if I can get an english to french translator so I can ask a tech there about some questions and to order one..lol

Unfortunatly for us at this point a google or website search does not offer much hope (some companies have the 2007 Audi Q7 on thier app. guide for the DEI CAN-1 but DEI themselves do not list it) so I am hoping to hear from someone that has actually got an RS working in either of these vehicles.

However, all help and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Velocity Motors, thanks for that info. Last time I called FORTIN I only was able get a voicemail which was in french. I will try to call again at a different time, perhaps a human will answer.

The ironic thing is one of the installers here can speak fluent french, however he wants nothing to do with my "adventurism" into attempting these vehicles. He is a very experienced installer but unlike myself is not from the "anything can be done for a price" school. I figure if I get one of those Audis working with a RS then I can give him an "I told you so" and show him how it's done. But if I am unsuccessful then he wins and I get the "I told you so".

Thats my situation. Thanks again for everyones help, I will keep posted any results.

If you don't know the 2 relay bypass this is how i do it.

To get the resistor value start the vehicle with the key.

Cut the WHITE/ blue or white wire and use a DMM. Measure the resistance from the key side of the wire you cut to the WHITE/ yellow or white black wire while the key is in crank position. The vehicle has built in anti-grind.

Follow this diagram.

I am not 100% sure on the Avantguard 5, it is a Clifford which is DEI, but may not use the same relay pack harness. If it does this wire is the small violet on the ribbon cable. If not available on that system you can take the + during start and use a relay to invert it to negative. 86 to + start....85 and 30 to ground, 87 out to immobilizer module, 87a not used.

If you would rather not use a relay perhaps if you post the wiring diagram I can find it for you..but keep in mind it may not have one unless it uses that ribbon cable.

The blue/orange wire on the Avantguard 5 will work.

Heres an update everyone,

I contacted FORTIN about doing the remote starts on the 06- up Audi A8's and 07 Q7's. Here was thier response...

"We do not have a bypass module for these vehicle's but do manufacture a modified ignition barrel that handles to logic of the switch ignition system. However this barrel is not available for sale through our distributors and can only be purchased retail with a remote-starter install at our installation facility here in Montreal. The customer will need to bring the vehicle here in order to have this unit installed. Unfortunately at this time we do not ship or sell this product to anyone."

This was not alot of help since I am in the NYC metropolitan area..not too close to Montreal. I don't think the dealers would give us the time to bring the cars all the way to Canada so I can purchase a modified ignition barrel  (sarcastic). So I am still in the same boat.

If anyone else out there has done an RS in one of these Audis sucessfully, or may know anyone who has I would be very thankful if you could post the info I need.

This Audi dealership has been sending us a ton of work, I would hate to let them down. For example they sent us 4- A4's today, one of them I installed a reverse camera to the factory nav screen,,that alone was a one thousand dollar job..they dropped off another A4 getting the same setup for tomorrow and a Q7 for a K40 bluetooth radar detector and diffusor.

We all know how tough it has been lately in the industry with the moms and pops shutting down everywhere. So we need to work together to figure out the diffcult vehicles and share whatever we can.

Thanks again all.

streetdream, it's not all A8's....its the new ones the dealer has sent over. So lets say 06..07's. but might be the same problem 04 up as well. The problem is you CAN"T get a remote start to work..as you can see in my previous post in the reply from FORTIN that there is some kind of logic system in the ignition switch system...in a nutshell we can't get basic functions such as ignition, crank and accessory, much less anything else.

I have no idea if that Lamborghini has a similar ignition switch but if it does you are S^&t out of luck my friend. The older lambos I have done were cake however electrically...just the discomfort of working under those dashes for any length of time kinda sux.

docsautomotive, I can not give anyone elses "average" times but with myself it depends on the vehicle, type of system and options added that determine time. Personally I'd rather take my time and pay attention to details and a stealth install but I can give my average time for systems in basic vehicles (2007 A8's and lambos are not considered basic..lol)

Add on remote start w/ bypass mod......1 to 2 hours

Standard security system w/ keyless entry  2 to 3 hours

Full blown RS/security with keyless/trunk pop/ window rollups/extra sensors etc...3 to 5 hours. remember these are "average" times, some vehicles may take more or less time depending.

Now you want a time to do a basic alarm in an 82 camaro or like a 92 mustang?? If I was rushing for some reason I could do either car "semi" neat but fully functional and reliable in 15 minutes. But really no reason to rush..it's not like I have so many systems to do I don't have enough time..if that was the case I'd just hire more installers.

Lamborghini figures that if someone can afford one they don't really worry about theft. So I guess doing a remote start in that was a cake walk...cool.

Now if I could only find a "logic barrel" ignition switch for those damned A8's..