autopage 750lcd has no neutral safety,
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=9174
Printed Date: May 16, 2024 at 4:35 PM
Topic: autopage 750lcd has no neutral safety,
Posted By: weiweiwei
Subject: autopage 750lcd has no neutral safety,
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 12:10 PM
it has no neutral safety like the compustar, where u have to go thru the handbrake procedure.. do u guys still do it on 5-speeds? wouldn't it be a big risk and liability involved? the installer just told me that it has no neutral saftey and recommend me not to do it with remote start, well i got the alarm cuz i wanted remote start, omg, i probably end up selling this and get a compustar... cuz lke what he told me accidents can still happen with the thing to go in gear or at dealership they park in gear or whatever or servicing car or friends accident or whatever... damn it's so scary..!!! im so confused now, cuz my car was 80% done installing and now he tells me
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Posted By: my12volts
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 12:20 PM
the autopage 750lcd has neutral safty switch it is BLACK/ white wire.... i have 5 speed my self w/remote start but i just make sure i leave my car out of gear..
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 12:22 PM
hey man, can u give me more info so i can pass it onto my installer right now??? hes doing my car 80% done..if u can just give a few sentence tips it be helpful!! so it has to go thru the handbrake procedure as well? or it somehow detects its not in gear?? if u can help thats great thanks!!
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 12:25 PM
hey my installer told me the neutral saftey is for autos...to detect autos...and wont' help for 5-speed can u give me more info ??
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 6:00 PM
This system is made for an automatic vehicle only. It states this on page 2 of the installer's manual. If you want a nuetral safety done you will need to use a magnetic switch on the shifter. Even then it's not 100 % , I would suggest getting a unit specifiacally made for manual tranny vehicles. My 2 c's on this for you.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 7:04 PM
i know when u press on the brake the car will just turn off, how about if u clutch in and shift to first gear?? what happens??
Posted By: djfearny2
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 7:43 PM
nothing cause you need the possitive signal from brake wire to shut the r.s off /.
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Jon
Installer/Help Technician
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mecp certification is not always needed. I have it and it has not helped me out at all. my experience out shines it.
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 7:59 PM
so that means without the key i can just shift gears and drive the car?? hmmmm
Posted By: securinu
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 8:27 PM
well the steering wheel will be locked and the first time you press the brake it will die.
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 8:32 PM
so u can just leave in first gear stomp on the gas and crash the car then??
Posted By: securinu
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 8:40 PM
only if your going straight.
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 9:02 PM
does that happen with compustar and other remote start installed in a standard??
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 9:31 PM
Any other system that is manual /automatic compatible................ the system will time out within a couple of minutes ( or letting the runtime run out ) and then the system will either rearm or will just shut down.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 10:30 PM
oh i see, thanks... with the compustar, if the handbrake is let down the car will shut off..i know the autopage wasn't designed for 5-speed so it doesn't have that feature.. is there any way to get this working in the wiring works?? like how they wire the brake so when it's pressed it will turn off, can they do the same with the handbrake?? sorry i'm not an installer so i dunno..im a consumer :(
Posted By: 13volt
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 10:51 PM
I highly recommend not using a regular security/remote start (for automatics) on a manual vehicle. A co-worker started his Jeep Wrangler not once, but twice accidently in gear. Fun to watch a Jeep drive by itself 40 feet. No, it missed a few cars. Here is some good news. RUMOR: Autopage 850 for manual cars!
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 11:08 PM
wow 850?? cool.. i always like new stuff..so when that is out i'd probably pay to rip my 750 out then put the new one in damn maybe i should've got the compustar cuz i have stick...hm...
Posted By: 13volt
Date Posted: February 07, 2003 at 11:54 PM
The 850 is a RUMOR so don't rip your 750s out yet! Don't forget there is also AST UltraStarters they will remote start auto and manual vehicles! And they carry a two way remote that is not that bad looking. If you like the old Star Trek communicator look! heheh!
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 08, 2003 at 1:43 AM
ok got it installed..he wired the handbrake also so when handbrake is let down, it will shut down... the only thing not working right now is i have one of those varad blue LED scanning lights and he can't hook it with the alarm he said the alarm wont work its the way it's designed..my friend has a compustar and that's the same for him.. right now it's only hooked to ignition...anybody got a way around it?
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 08, 2003 at 2:18 AM
also he told me it doesn't have anti grind...
Posted By: 13volt
Date Posted: February 08, 2003 at 8:54 AM
On the CompuStar use the negative on the starter kill relay to send a ground signal to the scanning led. Diode isolate as always. There is also (Don't have my install manual here at the house) a negative output status wire. Might have to wait untill I get back from the shop tonight. By the way. Another RUMOR: Compustar is developing a remote that has a longer range than the 2WSS! It will have a range of up to 4 miles.
Posted By: weiweiwei
Date Posted: February 08, 2003 at 12:25 PM
is this the same way to hook up a scanner for an autopage? i have a 2000 honda prelude 5-speed with imoobilizer bypass module
Posted By: securinu
Date Posted: February 08, 2003 at 8:57 PM
ok why do we need 4 miles of range . why doesnt compustar start putting some money in r& d for current product line . there return dept is so busy you always have to leave a voice mail. thats not a good sign.
Posted By: RocketRanger
Date Posted: February 18, 2003 at 10:56 PM
Suggest the solution mentioned by other suer....
Magnetic reed switch in the active open position.
Reed on a bracket. Magnet on shift linkage. Arrange magnet to open reeds when centeres on reed tube. (This means N and S on magnet on tude ends. Play with a large magnet and a reed switch. You'll see.....)
When in neutral, reed is open. Any other position, closed to ground. Use hood safety input. (Active GROUND)
Havn't had any trouble. Do quality work and it'll be reliable and safe.
Rocket
Posted By: floaterr
Date Posted: February 19, 2003 at 11:56 AM
Your installer should have the manual.
You can have him connect the neutral safety wire (BLACK/ white) to the emergency brake switch. If that switch goes negative when the E brake is applied (which I believe it does) then it will work like the neutral safety switch on an auto. Once E brake is released the alarm thinks the car was pulled out of park(thinking of the automatic tranny of course)and suts down teh engine.
You might be able to so the same with the clutch -IF- the switch shows negative when the clutch is in its resting position.
Posted By: floaterr
Date Posted: February 19, 2003 at 12:17 PM
As a side note cause I didn't know you had the answer about the brake already.
you said the guy could just jump in and drive off. If you remote start the car the alarm is still working. If they pop the door to get in then the alarm will go off and shut down the car.
Also there is an option in the programing so that you can arm the alarm with the ign on. I would think although i have not tried yet that you could arm the alarm during a pitstop and if someone gets in then the alm goes off and kills the engine. I'll try it when I install it in a silverado this weekend.
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