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Topic: 06 mazda3 gs, alarm/remote start

Posted By: mrcanngo
Subject: 06 mazda3 gs, alarm/remote start
Date Posted: March 22, 2007 at 1:41 AM

Hi,

If possible, i'd really appreciate someone helping me program my dei 1100f Pats/Securilock transponder for my car.  I'm not sure what installation mode i'm suppose to use for my car.  The directions don't really make sense to me.  Here is what it says:

Step 1: This procedure determines whether the module will operate using the conventional manner using the ground when running signal or a data type connection not used in this application.

Caution: for security purposes this step is programmable only once. Please ensure the proper mode is activated.

Than it goes on to say i need to choose between Unused and Standard installation mode.  Which is which? is standard the data type mode? or vice versa.

In any event, i have no idea which selection i'm suppose to make and don't wanna screw it up since i only get once chance of doing it.  There is also a Factory reset i can do but i'm under the impression the factory reset doesn't reset this step does it?

Thank you for any help on this. Oh, and incase anyone missed it, i have a 2006 Mazda3 GS Sedan.




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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: March 22, 2007 at 3:01 PM

At the transponder at ignition barrel: TX=WHITE/ Green, RX=Gray/Orange.

Use STANDARD installation mode meaning that you'll trigger the 1100F via a groundout from the remote starter.

You need two original pre-programmed transponder keys. Clones will not work.

Here are the steps. PGM button refers to the programming button on the 1100.

1Unplug all connectors from 1100 then connect all wires in vehicle.
2Plug 4-pin connector into 1100.
3Press & release PGM button once or twice to select STANDARD mode - 2 green led flashes.
4Press & hold PGM button and wait. LED GREEN on for 2 seconds then off.
5Release PGM button.
6Insert first key and turn IGN on until security light in dash turns off. 
7Turn IGN off and remove key.
8Insert second key and turn IGN on until security light in dash turns off.
9Turn IGN off and remove key.
10Press and release PGM button. Remote start the vehicle, let it run for at least 15 seconds. Then shut down remote start.
11Re-test again: Remote start the vehicle, let it run for at least 15 seconds.

Steps 6 to 10 have to be done within 3 seconds of each other, otherwise it'll exit programming.



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 22, 2007 at 11:49 PM
Wow, thank you very much!

BTW, where is the "ground when running wire"? in the 06 mazda3 gs?

what colour?




Posted By: gtchida
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 12:43 AM

Ground while running should be from your alarm/remote start harness. What system do you have?

Gary





Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 1:57 AM
I have a HuaTai 800.

ON the DEI 1100F tech sheet i'm suppose to connect the Blue/white wire (coming from the bypass module) to a wire in my car that is "Ground When Running". I just don't know where that particular wire is. Are you saying i need to hook that up to my alarm system somehow?




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 2:29 AM

Hi to all the electronic car experts out there.

I have a 06 mazda3 GS model that uses a single wire for lock and unlock. From what i understand, the "Lock" needs to be grounded through a 1kohm resistor in order for my aftermarket alarm to work with it.  After doing so, my priority unlock doesn't work anymore. 

Here is my question, how can i get this feature back? I know its been talked about in some depth but i was wondering if anyone had already done it or knows how to do it for a mazda3 06.  From what i understand, the priority unlock is triggered via some sort of "short" pulse from the factory alarm and when hitting the unlock button on original remote twice, it unlocks all doors.

Is there someway to wire a relay inbetween to achieve this? I've read the PDF on "negative trigger priority door unlock" but i think accordin to the sheet, i need actuators that do unlock and lock wiht seperate wires.  Although i'm not entirley sure about this.  Anyhelp woudl be much appreciated!

Thank you.





Posted By: mobilecustoms
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 6:13 AM
you need to put a relay between the driver door unlock motor wire

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Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 8:28 AM
You might be able to use the BLACK/ white (-) disarm wire to achieve this. I think that wire with one pulse will unlock the drivers door, and with a second extended pulse will unlock the rest.

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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 9:20 AM

Yes. DEI uses "STATUS" to describe this wire whereas most others use "GROUNDOUT".

This is coming from the remote starter and it's a wire that sends a constant ground (not pulsed like the disarm wire).

It's the very first wire to be activated the instant you press the remote start button on your remote.

This is where it gets its name from: Ground out, because it's a ground output. It's like an activation or turn-on signal.

If you have a PDF of your remote starter then upload it into the "Downloads" area of this site so we can have a look.



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 12:47 PM
I dont have a pdf but i can make one when i get to my g/f's house. I'll borrow her scanner and upload it into the downloads section. I just noticed now that on my alarm tech sheet i have a wire that says:

"Remote Start (-) Output to Bypass Module"

Is this where i'm suppose to hookup the "ground when running" wire (from the bypass module)

So Basically

Ground When Running Wire on Bypass Module Side
To
Remote Start (-) Output to Bypass Module Wire on Alarm Side.

Thanks!




Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 12:57 PM

That's right:

Ground When Running Wire on Bypass Module Side
To
Remote Start (-) Output to Bypass Module Wire on Alarm Side.



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 5:50 PM

How can i change different types of pulses on my alarm? I think via  a relay and capictors of sorts? I'm fairly new to all this could you explain a bit?

When you say connect inbetween unlock motor with relay i think i sorta get the idea.  It means i need to actually cut one of the unlock wires on the actual motor somewhere and put a relay between it?

If so, i was under the impression that this car only has one wire for lock and unlock, if i do that wouldnot i be effecting the lock somehow?

Thanks for the replies guys!





Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: March 23, 2007 at 7:05 PM

What kind of alarm ar you using?....almost all of the newer name brand stuff has to option to change the door lock pulses.

With the relay setup, you would find the wire that only unlocks the drivers door....This is gonna be a (+)  and will be WHITE/ black in the drivers kick coming from door harness. The relay would go as follows. Cut the WHITE/ black wire in half......The switch side would go to 87a. The other half would go to 30. 86 And 87 get constant 12 volts. 85 would be the (-) drivers door priority from alarm.

The one wire setup  is actually just sending a (-) pulse to  relays that go to the motor wires of the actuator....so, no...doing this will  not affect the lock and unlock.



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 2:52 AM
the alarm i'm using is called a Huatai 800 or something like that. Ebay purchased.

Your right, it does have the function of doing single and double pulses to unlock. Right now it is set as default for single pulse.

I understand your directions about how to wire the relay. Should i just wire it exactly as you said and not care about how it works? As you stated before, i need a "second extended pulse" to unlock the rest of the doors. By doing what you told me to do i dont understand how the "second extended pulse" is going to work. Wont my alarm just send a second pulse simliar to the first?

In addition, i need to fuse the 86 and 87 right? What rating should i use? spade fuse of sorts?

Thank you and sorry for my ignorance.




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 2:54 AM
Sorry i forgot to mention that according to my tech sheet my priority unlock is BLACK/ white and is a negative wire.

How does that change your instructions you sent me?




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 2:58 AM
Oh forgot to ask something else about remote starting this vehicle. I have a purple wire coming form my alarm that says i need to hook it up to:

"battery charging indicator wire or Engine oil Pressure Indicator Wire (the polarity of this wire is negative before engine start and positive after engine started)"

I'm assuming that this is a tach wire? located on the injectors?

I sure hope i'm write or else i just waisted 2 hrs of my life running the wire through the firewall to do that.




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 3:04 AM
I had a friend that is pretty good with electronics tell me something about power windows the other day. To sum it up he said:

When you use your power windows and the windows is either rolled up all the way or down all the way, there is a sensor in it that will tell the control to cut the power off to it so that i don't end up burning up the motors.

Someone from the mazda3forums who is trying to help me out right now says that i shouldn't hookup my alarm that has a "power window output" wire (-) to my power windows cause everytime i arm my alarm my windows will roll up and could burn out the motors of the power windows if i set it up like that.

Which person is right? The second person told me that i could use that wire and hook it up to some sort of window roll up and down module that DEI makes.

I was really hoping that i could somehow just believe the first guy and hook it up to my power windows so that every time i armed my car my alarm would automatically roll up all the windows.

Please help, thank you.




Posted By: xtremeaudio
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 4:52 AM
all you do just install dei 530t for wind roll up and down i do a lot dei 530t for the window so far in 5 year i do install i don't any one come back for burn motors




Posted By: mikvot
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 11:55 AM

First, i need to know if this alarm even has the capability of doing drivers door priority locking. If it does, there will be two unlock wires on the alarm. If it doesn't, there is no way i know of to do this. One for drivers door priority, and 1 for the rest. Also, i need to know if you can change the unlock pulse length. I know you say it has double pulse, but that will not help us. As mentioned above the second pulse has to be extended....it will not work with a normal unlock pulse. So, heres the idea......the drivers door priority wire would go to the BLACK/ white (-) disarm wire of the vehicle. The other unlock wire would go to that same wire. So when you hit unlock the first time on the transmitter, it will send a (-) to the BLACK/ white wire.....this would unlock just the drivers door. When you hit unlock on the tx again, a second extended pulse would go to the BLACK/ white wire,this would unlock all of the other doors. This is just the way the vehicle is set up.

So, it the alarm does have a way to set up drivers door priority, but not a way to change the pulse length...you can still do this, but using the door lock motor wires, which is that relay setup i gave you.....and is completely different than the first option ( the first setup is definately the easier of the two) and would use the WHITE/ black unlock motor.

If you have a link to the install manual, or have a way to e-mail it, let me know....that would help out alot.



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 24, 2007 at 7:21 PM
yeah that sounds good and all but does that confirm what my fried says about power windows having a sensor that can tell if a window is already rolled up and down? Does the sensor just turn off the motor so that it prevents from burning? When i hold the switch all the way up i dont' hear it doing anything.




Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: March 26, 2007 at 7:44 AM

They are using it instead of a tach wire.

They asume that if there is power on that wire it's because the engine has started: therefore the remote starter can stop cranking the engine.

What a pain in the you know what. That used to work in 1982. We're in 2007. Everything is computer controlled nowadays.

I'll see what I can find. You sure there isn't a tach input on the r-starter?



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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 27, 2007 at 1:59 AM
Sorry no tach input wire. Big dog i pm'd u in more detail about my probs.

For everyone else, i wired it up as per the instructions and i can hear the alarm system trying to crank the car, like i can hear clicking but no actual cranking from the starter or engine. My alarm says that in order for me to remote start the car i need to have it in "arm" mode. Well, when i do that and try to follow the programming instructions i trigger my alarm system as soon as i put the keys in the ignition.

Is that maybe why i can't program this bloody thing properly?

Please help...i've got over 20 wires or so at large lengths just dangling by my foot while i gotta drive to work. :(




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 31, 2007 at 1:09 AM
Can someone tell me what the Air Con wire in this wiring diagram is for? i didn't hookit up but i thought it might be used for something. Please some explain its purpose or what i could possibly use it for.

Thank you.

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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: March 31, 2007 at 10:50 AM

sorry this  is t he best i could do i think

here is a hotlink directly to the picture:

https://img513.imageshack.us/img513/924/myalarmqj6.jpg





Posted By: fkelsey
Date Posted: March 31, 2007 at 11:20 AM
It's a second ignition wire if your vehicle has more than one ignition circuit. Some cars split them up and the one ignition powers up the computer fuel pump and the airconditioner is on a different circuit.




Posted By: fkelsey
Date Posted: March 31, 2007 at 11:36 AM
You don't need it as a second ignition but is it able to be programmed as a second accessory. As you can see by this schematic you have two accessory wires. The difference between the ignition and accessory is that ignition stays hot through crank and accessory is hot on turn on and run and shuts off during crank.

12volts red (30A), BLACK/ red (30A)+ ignition harness
Starter gray/black   +   ignition harness     
Second Starter N/A           
Ignition GREEN/ YELLOW   +   ignition harness     
Second Ignition N/A           
Third Ignition N/A           
Accessory pink / YELLOW   +   ignition harness     
Second Accessory yellow   +   ignition harness     
Keysense RED / black   +   ignition harness     
Power Lock GREEN/ red   -   driver kick, door harness    
Power Unlock same as power lock wire           
Lock Motor yellow/black   5wi driver kick, door harness     
Unlock Motor WHITE/ black   5wi driver kick, door harness     
Parking Lights+ ORANGE / white (L), orange (R)   +   passenger kick, harness to rear     
Parking Lights- BLACK/ white   -   headlight switch     
Hazards BLACK/ orange   -   hazard switch     
Turn Signal(L) blue   +   passenger kick, harness to rear     
Turn Signal(R) blue/red   +   passenger kick, harness to rear     
Reverse Light GREEN/ orange or GREEN/ black   +   passenger kick, harness to rear     
Door Trigger see notes   -   passenger kick, harness to rear    
Dome Supervision BLACK/ blue to BLACK/ red   -   passenger kick, harness to rear     
Trunk/Hatch Pin BLACK/ red or BLACK/ blue   -   passenger kick or light in trunk     
Hood Pin BLACK / YELLOW   -   hood pin switch     
Trunk/Hatch Release N/A           
Power Sliding Door N/A           
Factory Alarm Arm BLACK/ blue   -   driver kick, door harness    
Factory Alarm Disarm BLACK/ white   -   driver kick, door harness    
Disarm No Unlock             
Tachometer NOT GREEN/ stripe   ac   any ignition coil or fuel injector     
Wait to start N/A           
Brake Wire RED / white   +   brake pedal switch     
Parking Brake BLACK/ lt. green   -   parking brake switch     
Horn Trigger black   -   horn switch     
Memory Seat 1 N/A           
Memory Seat 2 N/A           
Memory Seat 3 N/A




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 07, 2007 at 12:29 AM

I think this is possible but i'm not entirely sure how to do this.  What i basically want is my actuator to open and close with one push of my alarm button.  The reasoning is because i hooked up my actuator to my trunk so that it would open it up. 

Here is the problem though: The actuator "closes" which pulls the latch open and allows me to lift up the trunk but when i slam my trunk down, the trunk doesn't stay shut.

Reason: the reason it doesn't stay shut is because the motor of the actuator is to stiff that the trunk latch isn't able to pull the actuator back to the "open" position to allow my trunk to close and stay shut.

Solution: If there is a way to make my actuator move closed and than a second after go back to the opened position, this should solve my dillema.  Could someone help with showing me how to connect the some relays to do this?  I think i need 2 relays but i'm not entirely sure.  Any help would be much appreciated.  Thank you!





Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 07, 2007 at 12:56 AM

I forgot to mention this.

Would this work for me or would this just end up burning my actuator?

Hook up 12v+ to 86 and 30

(-) output from alarm system to 85

87 and 87a get one of the wires from the actuator?

Woudl leaving a constant 12v's going to the actuator burn it out or will the actuator just not move and not care?

Thank you.





Posted By: redpeppers
Date Posted: April 07, 2007 at 2:07 AM
humm....hook like so.....85 to the negitive output from the alarm (make sure that it is not a latching output or you will have a constant negitive trigger going to your relay which will keep the trunk acuator enguaged until you re-click the alarms button again...thus you not being able to close the trunk)  86 to 12volt constant.  30 to the acuator , 87a not used, and 87 to 12volt constant.

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Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 07, 2007 at 1:12 PM
hmm..i'm not sure if thats what i want but i thought that when you energize a actuator is either closes all the way or opens all the way.

Am i wrong? Does hooking it up to a relay mak




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 07, 2007 at 4:24 PM
Well i did as you told me to but the problem is that the actuator is too strong. When i slam my trunk down, the actuators stiffness is what stops the spring inside the latch from closing.

I tried my design of relays too and it just made the actuator sound like it had some sort of sudden shock.

Does anyone else know how to program my actuator so that it opens and closes all in one shot?

Thanks.




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 10, 2007 at 3:10 AM

While were on topics about trunks, could someone tell me if i did something wrong?

When i set my alarm, i open the trunk with my key and my pager alarm goes off and notifies me that the trunk has been opened. This tells me that the trunk trigger was hooked up properly right?

Problem: when i go to unarm my pager alarm and open the trunk, it works but if i keep my trunk opened too long, the alarm goes back to "locked" mode.  I figure this is because somewhere in the manual it says that if no one enters the car, the alarm will arm once again.  That said, if i open the trunk and don't close it fast enough, it will go back to arm mode and alarm will start sounding because it thinks that someone just opened up  my trunk.

I didn't diode isolate my trunk trigger as i'm a complete newb and thought i just had to do it with my door triggers.  Should i diode isolate the trunk and is that the reason why my alarm is ringing?

Or, is this a stupid flaw in the alarm system?





Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 15, 2007 at 5:09 PM
still wondering about these issues. Can anyone help?




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 17, 2007 at 1:46 AM
I've had great success from all the help on this forums. I would like to have some help with a new idea that may or may not work. I wish the stupid manufacturer of the alarm would just answer my emails but they refuse to so i end up having to come up with these ideas to solve my rather simple problems i have with my alarm. Without any further ado, here is my challange:

Scenario: I tied my alarm parking lights into my hazard lights. When i hit unlock or lock, the (-) coming from the alarm pulses and makes my lights flash either once for lock or twice for unlock. This is great!

Problem: When i remote start the car, the same lights start flashing but it continues to flash every 2 seconds. According to the manual, this is suppose to do this but is very annoying at night time. I dont' really want to call attention to everyone on the block while my hazards are continually flashing.

Proposed solution: I would like some sort of relay and/or diode that could restrict the voltage coming through after a certain amount of time. I would ideally like for the alarm only to flash during my unlock/lock of the car. I do not want it to continually flash after i remote start the car.

Any suggestions or other ideas?

Thank you in advance!




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: April 17, 2007 at 7:04 AM

 It all depends on how things are wired, but I'd probably look at doing something like driving a relay with the alarm output and tying the coil ground to something that's negative when the engine is off, but goes to +12v when the engine is running.. the coil loses it's ground when the engine is running and the relay opens, turning off the flashing lights.

 Or, you could use a voltage sense setup that opens the circuit when the voltage goes over +13v.

 Jim





Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 17, 2007 at 9:08 AM
THanks,

Both sound like very good ideas. How do i use a voltage sensing relay?




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 18, 2007 at 2:01 AM
Your idea just gave me an idea! How bout if i do this, tie in the hazards to the siren via a relay.

Tie in, lock and unlock via relays to the hazards as well. Maybe its stupid to have 3 relays just to achieve this effect but do you think that would work?

Is it bad to have too many relays setup in a car??




Posted By: mrcanngo
Date Posted: April 18, 2007 at 2:11 AM
Came up with another idea i wanted to run past you guys.

Pin 87: Nothing
Pin 86: Air Condition Wire from Alarm that gives 12V when car is started
Pin 85: Ground
Pin 30: Negative pulse from Alarm System that gives power to hazards
Pin 87a: Hazard Light Wire in Car.

I think this would work but my only concern is the Air Con wire. Is there a better wire besides this?




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: April 18, 2007 at 8:28 AM

You can use either the ignition or accessory wire from the car to power the relay.   This will prevent the alarm from having any control of the hazard lights if the ignition is on.  You don't necesarrily have to use the outputs from the remote start (although they will be common with the wiring in the car, so it would probably be a good idea to tap the remote start wires to prevent multiple splices in the OEM wiring).

I can't think of a single instance where you would want the alarm to flash the lights if the ignition is already on.



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