i 1100f only works once, 01 ford windstar

Ok I'm installing an alarm for my dads 2001 ford windstar I've done about 6 alarm installs on tahoes caddys lincolns etc.

Well my current issue is on the pats system I first used a 556sw no key bypass by directed and the car would start right after i programmed the module but if I turn it off and then tried to remote start again the car would never start again with R/S.

Thinking the module was bad I bought a 1100f no key module by directed and I'm having the same god damn problem right after i program this module and i press the button then i can remote start the vehicle but after i turn it off it will no longer start.

The one thing i did notice is after i press the button and then i remote start the car the little boxs light only blinks twice on and off but it never lights solid for 2 seconds as per the instructions of the manual.

I think though if the car starts without the key in then doesnt that mean it is being programmed?

Im going to call DEI again and get another bs answer like i usually do.

I would prefer some actual knowledgeable help from you folks.

I dont want to buy another module.

btw i do have 2 pats keys for the van and im programming exactly how it says the problem is the van only starts once but never again thereafter.

I decided to use the ignition cable of the alarm for the cable going to the module and just grounded the black cable i read about that in the forum.

The tx and rx are connected as per the manual and the manual also says if they arent connected right then the bulb on the module would flash red but it doesnt flash red it flashes twice on and off when programming the module and the bulb is always green.

I connected the 2 cables near the connector which is about 12 inches or so away from the key cylinder.

I'm not at my dads house right now but I could  write down the exact colors and such tomorrow if needed.

I live about an hour away from  him.

it seems to me as if it is either losing programming or not really saving the programming how it should.

Is it also possible the windstar is not saving the module into memory? I read around that the module actually duplicates a third key but what if the windstar isnt saving the 3rd key?

Maybe the windstars memory is full Idk ive been reading a lot and cant find a similar problem to what im having.

keep in mind the van starts up with out the key after i program the module but wont start up anymore afterwards.

Also when i program the module and i remote start the van the theft light on the dash blinks the whole time it is on.......

does anyone have any idea of what the problem might be??

A dei representative told me today that this is not a do it yourself............go to a dealer so they can troubleshoot it.

1) How long are you letting the engine run after you let the windstar run after you've r/s'd it the first time?  Could it be that you're not letting it run long enough and it's about to shut down b/c it did not detect an appropriate transponder code (chryslers will do this .. they'll run for two or three seconds then shut down if no transponder key is detected)

2) I think a ford can store up to 4 keys (not sure) and if you attempt to store more, it erases from the top of the list of pre-programmed transponder codes (someone correct me if i'm wrong) -- which would suggest that if it was in fact "full" .. it wouldn't matter because it'd store your new module's transponder code.

3) the theft light SHOULD GO OFF if a properly programmed key/bypass module is attempting to start the car.  This would indicate that the bypass is NOT properly programmed. 

4) The fact that the red LEDon the bypass module does not stay constant is also a suggestion that it was not properly programmed.

5) Since you're having the same issue with TWO identical bypass modules, it would then suggest that either you're not programming correctly, OR your wiring is not correct (wiring of the bypass module to the remote start brain.) 

knowing how you wired it is key here.

well the other module was a loop ring module the 556 sw

this 1100f module is a direct connection module i thought last time the loop ring wasnt working or something

I dont know what else to try

Btw when i remote start the first time after programming i let it run for a minute or so and the theft light blinks the whole time

Why would the car start the first time though ?

What source did you use for your 12 volts constant power to the bypass module(s)?

If your wiring is correct, sounds like it's a windstar issue.  If that theft light keeps blinking, it's basically indicating that the correct key isn't being found.

When it does start that first time via remote start, can you get in, press the parking brake, and drive off?  I wonder if the windstar would kill the engine if this was attempted -- furthering the theory that the windstar hasn't yet detected a legitimate key.

oh, and when you state "...and when i try and remote start it again, it won't start..."

what exactly is happening?

1) is it turning over but not actually starting?

2) is it NOT turning over?

3) does it make multiple attempts to start? What's the LED on the bypass doing and what color is it during these failed, subsequent attempts?

Well when i try to remote start again after the first try the windstars light turn on but the starter never engages because the theft light blinks.

I honestly didnt check the lights on the 1100f module when it doesnt start. I never saw the module lights go red though according to the manual a red led would indicate a bad installation. The lights always blink green twice on and off.

I was also thinking its a windstar issue maybe one of hte keys is bad or something?

btw the windstar does work the first time after R/S i put the key in and press the brake and it works fine.

With the loop ring module i had before i even grounded the wire that is supposed to go to the alarm but the same thing happened

I'm ready to buy a key if i have to just to check this out.

Thanks a lot guys for your input.

Here's another idea... did your dad buy this windstar new or used?

If he bought it used, the original owner had two factory keys and one valet key (likely).  Perhaps he had a third key programmed (a third factory key) and filled the ECM's transponder code memory.

Perhaps the transponder codes have to be wiped from a Ford dealer and then re-learned (in addition to the new code for the bypass module).

I'm not sure why it's starting the first try each time with the r/s.  Here's another thing you can try:

re-learn the current bypass module; then after it starts the first time, try remote starting it for a second time but this time place a factory key in the ignition barrel but do not turn it (obviously) -- see if the anit-theft light still comes on --

also, are you using programming mode 1 or 2?  I've read that these 1100f units can be finicky w/the programming, I would make doubley sure you're programming it correctly.  Timing is key with programming the unit and making sure the antitheft light goes out each time you use a factory key during the programming process.

with the key in the ignition the van starts fine with no theft light on..........

If I stick a key into the van the van does start with remote start.

If i dont have a key in the van then the theft light just starts blinking when the remote start tries to turn on the van.

The starter wont turn when the theft light is on. It will remote start the one time when im dont programming the bypass though.

Any ideas?

the dei 556sw module and the 1100f do the exact same thing they only work once after startup

I've done 3 installs on 2003 suburbans and never had any issues on those bypasses this is my first ford with a bypass and it's being a PAIN.

How much should I get expected to be charged for as hop to take a look at this?

get a new bypass module (not an 1100 and not a 556) ...

and if you want to relinquish a key to the vehicle -- do was csorb is saying and create your own key in a box universal bypass.