avistart 4100, ’06 vibe, accessory wire?

I installed the Avistart 4100 on my 2006 Vibe today, remote start and door locks working but when in remote start the Accessories such as blower, a/c, heater do not work. I wired the accessory wire form the alarm module to the RED / blue wire in the ignition harness per the wire diagram on this site but it still does not work. Any suggestions? Also, the remote hatch release does not work either even when connected to the blue/white wire at the switch. Any suggestions here as well? Thanks.

you said "RED / blue" but i hope you meant "blue/red" for the accessory wire on your 2006 vibe, because it's a blue wire with a red stripe.

There is an orange heavy gauge wire (30A) from the Avital that you should have connected to the blue/red wire of the Vibe:

https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/ig/avital/N831002_07-05.pdf 

There is a RED / wire (thin gauge wire) H1/7 from the Avital that is a -200mA signal that should connect to the blue/white wire of the Vibe.  However, i would connect this wire to a relay and let this signal relay a grounded signal to the blue/white wire so you don't accidentally blow a transistor on the avital circuit board.

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For Accessories:
Orange wire (module) to blue/red (blue/red stripe) in ignition harness

Connected like this the accessories do not work. Is there another wire that needs to have power?

For Hatch Glass:
RED / White (module) to Blue/White(at switch

Sounds like I need a relay for the hatch?

did you voltmeter the blue/red wire of the Vibe with the key in ACC and ON positions? If so, what voltage did you get?

I would voltmeter the orange wire separately (disconnect it from the blue red wire) and verify that it's outputting 12 volts.

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I remote started the car and checked voltage at the ignition switch (blue/red) pin, with the connector plugged in/out of ignition switch. It showed 12 volts.

yes, but did you also VM the orange wire coming off the r/s brain??

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I see what you're saying -- so when you r/s the car, the blue/red is getting 12 volts from the r/s brain.  Hmmm....

Two igntion wires .. are they both hooked up? 

Here's is *pdf file that on page 2 shows that there is only a blue-red wire that supplies the accessories:

https://www.illformedpragma.com/matrix/reference/repair_manuals/2003/Wiring%20Manual/systemci/012ps.pdf

Do you have BOTH igntion wires hooked up?  If not, your accessories may not work. The one you need to specifically look at hooking up is the BLACK-YELLOW wire (thinner gauge wire) .. this is part of a relay system that provides power to heater, accessories etc along with the blue/red wire.

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Yeah, they are both hooked up. I am tired of testing...I think I will get some sleep and hit it again in the morning. Thanks for the help I will let you know what I find in the morning.

As far as the hatch goes...just get a relay and have it output to the blue/white wire right?

I need to get an extra relay as well so I can setup a "anti-grind" circuit...seems simple enough from the diagrams.

Yeah -- just get a relay and wire as follows:

85: 12 volts fused +

86: remote starter output wire (RED / white) -

30: chassis ground

87: blue/white wire at hatch switch

Also, meter this RED / white wire to make sure it's dropping to 0 vdc (ground) when the trunk output button is triggered (must hold trunk button for > 1.5 seconds)

Anti-grind -- yeahp... simple as it looks -- lemme know if you have any issues with it.

best of luck

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**Update**

I did some more testing this morning and discovered that one of my connections was not that great. It was the pink/white wire (from module) to the BLACK / YELLOW wire in the ignition harness. I checked voltage with the key in the "on" position and there was 12V there, when in remote start there wasn't any voltage there. I fixed the problem and now the car will not remote start with the pink/white wire connected to the BLACK / YELLOW, only when disconnected it will start...any idea's? It seems like it would work if I could figure that part out. Please help?

There are two pink/whie wires -- one is a heavy gauge pink/whie wire (on an 8-wire harness) the other is a thinner gauge (on a 7-wire harness) that does the following:

that pink/white wire is -200mA output --> you can't tie that into a wire (BLACK / YELLOW) that needs to be supplied with high current 12 volts (check the manual and make sure it's a negative charged wire -- the pink/white)

You'll need another relay here:

85: pink/white wire off the avital

86: 12 volts fused positive

30: 12 volts fused positive (15A fuse)

87: BLACK / YELLOW wire of the Vibe

The OTHER pink/white wire (heavy gauge) can be connected directly to the BLACK / YELLOW ignition wire of the Vibe. 

Which pink/white wire are you using?

1) if you are using the -200mA pink/white wire -- it's a grounding polarity and it's grounding the black-yellow wire on the vibe and this no doubt is gunna interfere with appropriate remote starting

2) something is fishy with your connections -- explain exactly what you mean by "...car now does not remote start..."

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When the pink/white wire (heavy gauge) is connected to the BLACK / YELLOW wire the car does not remote start, when the pink/white wire is disconnected the car starts via remote but does not have any accessory control. I was not using the small pink/white wire (200mA) to connect to the BLACK / YELLOW. Any theories?

Sounds like you have it right. That's VERY weird that the remote start won't work when the pink/white is connected.

Does the remote start not turn on? Or turns on but doesn't crank? Or cranks but doesn't start?

By the way, the RED / blue accessory wire just powers up a bunch of unnecessary stuff like the radio and power mirrors. I never hook it up, but it won't hurt anything if you do.

Also, the rear glass release button goes dead whenever the car is locked. Likewise, for your remote to opent he hatch, the car must be unlocked first too. Have you tried that?

You should try to VM the heavy gauge pink/white wire while attempting a remote start and see what voltage and polarity you get on the voltmeter.

Please be specific about "...car does not remote start now..."

1) cranks? cranks, but no start? lights on dash go on but no crank???

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When the pink/white wire (module) is connected to the BLACK / YELLOW wire and the remote start button is pressed I just hear a few clicks (relays?) and nothing happens. When the pink/white wire (module) is disconnected from the BLACK / YELLOW wire the car cranks and runs via remote start mode.

I have VM'd the pink/white wire when starting and it does show 12V. Should I try removing the orange (heavy gauge) wire from the blue/red and connecting it to the BLACK / YELLOW?

As far as the rear glass, it all works as it is suppose to once I connected the relay.

Also, once the car has been started via remote start and is running, I press the start button again (*) so I can pull the key out with the car running....it does not work. The car just turns off when the key is removed. I assume that this and the accessory problem could be linked?

What you describe in the circumstance of [p/w wire connected to b/y wire] seems to me like the Starter wire [red on the vibe, and you have a starter interrupt purple, green wires on the avital] is having issues;

Have you reviewed your starter kill/interrupt connections?  You split the red starter wire in TWO.... You have the purple outpul wire (avital) going to the starter/motor side of the Vibe red starter wire; and you have the green (avital) wire going to the key side of the vibe red starter wire? 

How are you making your connections (you stated your previous one was not appropriate)?

Are all your harnesses securely fastened to the r/s brain module?

What, if anything, do you have connected to the 7-wire harness?

If we assume all your connections are correct, and your Vibe is in good working order w/o the r/s unit installed, then it's logical to assume your r/s module is defective and it's time to try another one.

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I am a little unclear regarding the "purple,green" wires on the avital. I do not have a green wire, the only green wire I have is the one for the door lock.

The 4100 module seems to be doing what it is suppose to, I can start the car and measure all the voltages on the "heavy gauge" connector and they all seem to have the correct voltage on them.

I do have one red wire (module) connected to white wire (ignition) and the other red wire (module) connected to the black wire (ignition). The purple wire (module) is connected to the red wire (ignition), the orange wire (module) is connected to the blue/red wire (ignition). The pink wires are connected as stated before. Is all this correct?

Connections: Ignition harness connections are soldered, the rest are T-Taps. The manual stated not to use T-Taps for the heavy gauge stuff.

All harness connections are tight at the r/s brain.

I do not have a 7-wire harness.

Hmm. All your connections at the ignition switch sound right.

The only thing I do differently, is I put both of my constant-power (red) wires to the heavy black on the Toyota.

The thin white constant-power wire is only fused at 5 amps (I think), it should be the AM2 fuse in the underhood fuse box.

Re-test to verify that both the black and the white (on the car) still have constant power. It would be easy to blow the little fuse on the white wire.

Thanks, I will try that tonight. I was wondering if putting one of the red wires (module) on that was a good idea!? I will try that and let you know, thanks for the help/support.

Speaking of constant power -- what are you currently using for your constant power -- did you run a line ot the battery?

(sorry, the 4200 has a 7-wire harness as well as a built in starter kill .. forgot that you had the 4100).

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12 VOLT CONSTANT	Connect to BATTERY ONLY
STARTER	RED (+)	IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
STARTER 2	N/A
IGNITION 1	BLACK/ WHITE (+)	IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 2	BLACK / YELLOW (+)	IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
IGNITION 3	N/A
ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1	BLUE/RED (+)	IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

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I connected the two red wire with the 30A fuses to the black (heavy gauge) wire in the ignition harness. The manual suggested that I make connection there.

From Install Guide:
        "Since the factory supplies (+) 12V to the key switch that is used to operate the motor, it is recommended that these wires be connected there."

After more testing:
When the car is running in remote start mode the radio works (via blue/red wire??) and dash lights, a/c, blower, etc do not work. When 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW (ignition harness) the car shuts down.

When the car is started and running by using the key the BLACK / YELLOW wire has 12V on it and the dash lights, a/c, blower, etc work fine.

Why does all that stuff work fine with the key (work normal) but when in remote start mode and 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire does the car shutdown?

Too much current draw through alarm module?

I was thinking about trying to rig up a fused wire and go straight from the battery to the BLACK / YELLOW wire when in remote start mode and see if it stays running.

Is there a reason the remote start should not work when 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire?

Thanks for the continued help/support through this.

https://www.illformedpragma.com/matrix/reference/repair_manuals/2003/Wiring%20Manual/systemci/012ps.pdf

Read this schematic again (if you didn't the first time) page two (2)

...notice there is a white wire (AM1) and a black wire (heavy gauage AM2) ---> the white wire powers blue/red and BLACK / YELLOW and the black wire powers BLACK/ white and red.

So the two circuits are powered separately (white = accessory and igntion_1) (black = igntion_2 and starter)

At this point, I would run a separate line from the battery  -- don't worry about running it through the firewall yet --- and let this power both your red module power wires (with the 30A fuses).  Let me know if this solves your problem. 

I wouldn't mess w/ the BLACK / YELLOW ignition wire the way you were suggesting.

Also --> check AM1 and AM2 fuses under the hood (25A and 15A respectively) 

Also --> check BOTH fuses in the red module wires (30A fuses) .. make sure these both are ok and one isn't blown.

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"When 12V is applied to the BLACK / YELLOW (ignition harness) the car shuts down."  - how did you apply 12 volts to the BLACK / YELLOW? Did you just manually apply the 12 volts to this BLACK / YELLOW after the car was remote started?



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According the the schematic

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the BLACK / YELLOW is responsible for heater, defrost, a/c ...

the blue/red does the radio and cigarette lighter adapter (radio isn't listed on the above schematic, it's pages later in the service manual)

All the BLACK / YELLOW wire does is provide the 12volts+ to the coil of a relay (see schematic) that allows power to run through a circuit that powers heater,defrost, a/c, ECU, washer, wiper front and back.  I imagine that b/c when you apply 12volts to this relay (BLACK / YELLOW) and provide the ECU more power... it shuts the engine off for whatever reason.  Be careful with testing this BLACK / YELLOW wire b/c you could fry your ECU -- $$$$;  Either your r/s brain is defective or something is fishy with your install and you're missing something.

One more thing you can try:

Relay power to that BLACK / YELLOW wire (and disconnect the pink/white [ r/s module] from the BLACK / YELLOW wire)

85: connect to Vibe BLACK/ white wire

86: chassis ground

30: 12 volts fused +

87a: BLACK / YELLOW wire on Vibe

This will insure that 12 volts is sent exactly at the same time to IGN1 as to IGN2 wire on the Vibe.

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I think I will try to connect a separate relay to supply 12V to the BLACK / YELLOW wire as you suggest...just to see if that works. I will have to pick up a relay, fuse holder, and heavier gauge wire tomorrow, so I will let you know Friday what happens. Thanks.

Check all those fuses too -- make sure both heavy gauge red wire fuses (30A each)  off the avital module are in tact. Good luck

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All fuses checked ok.

I ran two direct power cables from the battery to the two red fused lines going into the r/s module. I than setup a relay with the following configuration:

85: connect to Vibe BLACK/ white wire

86: chassis ground

30: 12 volts fused +

87a: BLACK / YELLOW wire on Vibe

It still does the same thing, when you r/s start the car and there is 12V applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire in the ignition harness the car does not start. Once I unplugged the relay from the BLACK / YELLOW wire the car will remote start fine (except no accessories).

I am at a loss...I think I have tried all options by now...anymore suggestions?

peterubers,

Your explanations of what you are doing are perfectly clear, and it sounds like your install is set up exactly as I (and my co-workers) have done hundreds, if not more, of these cars.

It's very interesting, and confusing!

Just one last guess. Are you using tach or voltage sensing? If you're using voltage sense, it's possible that the blower motor pulls enough current to drop the car's voltage, thereby shutting the remote starter down.

Are you testing all this with the blower way up on high, and is the air conditioner on? If so, try it with AC off, and blower on low or off.

I am using the tach sensing setting.

All accessories are off when trying to r/s.

I am at wits end...I can't understand why having the 12V on the BLACK / YELLOW wire would keep the car from remote starting?

radiorookie wrote:

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All fuses checked ok.

I ran two direct power cables from the battery to the two red fused lines going into the r/s module. I than setup a relay with the following configuration:

85: connect to Vibe BLACK/ white wire

86: chassis ground

30: 12 volts fused +

87a: BLACK / YELLOW wire on Vibe

It still does the same thing, when you r/s start the car and there is 12V applied to the BLACK / YELLOW wire in the ignition harness the car does not start. Once I unplugged the relay from the BLACK / YELLOW wire the car will remote start fine (except no accessories).

I am at a loss...I think I have tried all options by now...anymore suggestions?

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Oops!! My bad, bro.  I meant 87 (NOT 87a).

87a is the terminal ALWAYS CONNECTED to terminal 30 on a 5-pin SPDT relay (i always remember it as "87-always connected").  87 is the terminal 30 is connected to in the event of a voltage across the solenoid (85-86) ...

so ... connect the BLACK / YELLOW wire to the 87 terminal ---SORRY MAN, I hope this solves your problem now.

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BTW .. i checked, re-checked, and re-checked the wiring diagrams again for the P.Vibe/T.Matrix -- and if the relay correction above does not work, I am completely out of ideas --

Are there more than one BLACK / YELLOW wires?

Can you take a digital photo of your wiring and post it?  Sometimes having a fresh pair of eyes look at something will make something jump right out as incorrect.

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Final resort:

Try this; basically, swap the ignition wires: 

Connect Pink ( NOT pink/white ) wire of the avital directly to BLACK / YELLOW on vibe.

Relay power to BLACK/ white on the vibe as follows:

-> 85: pink wire off avital

-> 86: chassis ground

-> 87: BLACK/ white wire on Vibe

-> 30: fuse 12 volts + (line from battery).

We're confident that the pink wire off the vibe is doing the right thing b/c it has been remote starting.  Therefore, we'll connect this FIRST to BLACK / YELLOW and then relay power to BLACK/ white.

if this does NOT work -- @#$@$@

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