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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=93965
Printed Date: May 16, 2025 at 8:33 AM


Topic: windows automation

Posted By: xtremej
Subject: windows automation
Date Posted: May 16, 2007 at 10:02 AM

This for the boys & girls who do this often. I have a customer with an 07 silverado, new body style that wants the windows to be controlled via the remote. I am going to use a compustar pro. I did speak with compustar tech and he said the remote start brain can do it without additional parts. If someone can confirm or deny this will work please let me know. I have not done this in awhile, along while and it was not with a compustar pro.

Thanx

Jeremy




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Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: May 16, 2007 at 2:33 PM
I'll answer my own question. Its not advisable to use the poc's off of the remote start controller as they are timed and they won't stop if someone decides to stick their finger out the window-ouch. Don't want anyone to loose a limb. back to the 529 or 530.




Posted By: enice
Date Posted: May 16, 2007 at 6:48 PM

One of the cool things DEI has(not saying others dont have it) is that it has a lock pulse out for windows rollup.  I do it for vehicles that have a windows roolup sensor in the door key cylindner.No need for the 529T's and 530's.  Just went into the actual doors and have also done it in german vehicles.  All I do is program the brain for that and im done.  As for the windows rolling up and jamming your fingers the feature stops as soon as your unlock the door.





Posted By: 1fkn1998accord
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 6:00 PM
thats still harmfull....whats going to stop the window from going up if you can unlock your car via remote or if the remote battery dies out?




Posted By: enice
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 6:16 PM

what will stop it is the unlock button.  when you press the lock it will work.  Now your gonna tell me that when you lock the door the remote can die? think about it, if you can lock it then you can certanly unlock with the remote.





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 8:01 PM

That can still be considered a liability.

Think of a Mom who leaves her windows down and car alarm disarmed.  It's a nice sunny day and the kids are outside playing in the car (like kids love to do).  The Mom's cell phone rings, she answers it, talks for a few mintues, then throws her phone back in her purse.  The phone hits her keys and alarm keyfob, pressing the 'ARM' button.  The system arms, the windows rise, just as little Johnny is reaching his head out to yell at his brother about something.

Now, the kid is in the car, the windows are going up, the keys are inside and the person with the keys doesn't even know the windows are moving, much less that her only son is about to be choked to death by her $300 alarm she just had installed.

Is this a long shot?  Yes.  Can it happen?  Yes.  Will the istaller be held liable?  That will be up to a court to decide.

That being said, there are a few cars that offer anti pinch through the key cylinder, with Nissan being one of them.  As far as I know Honda doesn't offer it, and I'm unsure of other manufacturers.

If you are going to use the key cylinder method to raise the windows you really should set up a two step command system.  The chances of someone accidently hitting two buttons in sequence accidently are greatly reduced compared to a one button setup.  The button sequence also gives the owner a bit of control over the windows, allowing them to arm the vehicle and leave the windows vented or even completely open.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: enice
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 10:15 PM

I see your point but the question is, why does DEI add  comfort closure to their system if it can be a big liability?





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 10:41 PM
I've never installed one, so I'm not sure what kind of literature they have with it.  Is it designed to be used on anti pinch systems or any system that has key cylinder controlled windows?

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: enice
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 11:02 PM
yes it would be any system that has the key cylinder controlled windows.  It would installed like any lock/unlock wire but also tie in to the door usually.  DEI doesnt mention anything about safety in regards to this




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 5:10 AM

That very surprising as DEI normally takes the conservative side when it comes to liability.

There are multiple products on the market designed to work with key cylinder window control, and all of them require a 'correct' sequence of events to occur before the windows will raise.  I find it interesting that DEI has gone a different route.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: enice
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 7:03 AM
if youd like you can download the 5900 install manual and look for the comfort closure feature and see what it talks about. No warning as far as I see.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 03, 2007 at 7:43 AM

My policy with DEI product is to use a separate aux output (RED / white on DEI) so that owner has to make a conscious effort to close windows, roof etc. Only problem with BMW is that you have to stop the timed output to unlock car, if you make that output switch automatically with alarm you therefore have a problem. Also on MkIII Golf/Jetta unlocking will lower windows if you do it within original set time.

On late E36 you can take this to the level of standard lock with ign/RPM deadlock with alarm and  separate windows and roof (or cabriolet) closing. Just need lots of relays and diodes!





Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 6:41 AM
the 530T module is designed to stop pushing the window up once it hits a higher load on the motor (IE when the window is all the way up there is more of a strain put on the motor that is how the module knows to stop) so i would assume that if some kids head, hand, etc. was in the way it would also stop basically to prevent burning the window motor out




Posted By: customak47
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 1:33 PM
You guys crack me up with how concerned you are with little kids fingers. If you are really worried about it, draw up a liability disclaimer stating that you are not responsible for injuries resulting from automated windows and have customer sign it. In reality, I stuck my fingers in a trailblazer window to see how bad it hurt and it didn't, probably because the new window regulator designs are so cheap and weak, just enough to get the window to roll up and down. Now onto the ACTUAL question my man XJ has been so patiently waiting for an answer to, you better be getting about 5-7 hours in labor for these windows to roll up and down, the window modules from dei are nice and easy to trigger with any unit, and I'm not a compustar expert. Im sure you could do it with just the unit, but the modules would probably be easier. good luck brother

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My rifle is my friend...




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 2:22 PM
Yes but but unless you keep a signed copy of that waiver, even then the muck sticks especially if the local press knows. Worst case scenario; install any Clifford with Intellistart into a stick shift explaining manual enable etc. You can tell by the body language the guy isn't listening. You later find that he has been to one of these unscrupulous firms who made the R/S work by joining GREEN/ black to ground chargeing $80 for the privilage. Guess what? He parks on a hill downwards, engine overcomes clutch and parking brake and does untold damage. YOU  the installer are liable. Prove you didn't do it! As it happens I've been doing some insurance company auditing recently and I now bind the cut green blue with blue tape before black. Clifford themselves are aware of this so I have manufacturer back-up. First rule of installation = COVER YOUR ARSE!  posted_image




Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 2:30 PM
Yes its possible to do with the unit, but its a programed time for up and down. If something does happen to get into to the window it will trigger until its runtime ends. On the other hand with one touch windows I am bettin I could just trigger that. I have the 530t's in stock, probably not worth any liability as everybody is sue crazy, it seems to be the instant response to anything. Thanx for all the input, as always its up to the customer and they decided to do the sound system before the windows automation.





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