viper 5900 problem, 99 eclipse
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 25, 2024 at 6:39 PM
Topic: viper 5900 problem, 99 eclipse
Posted By: creed2k
Subject: viper 5900 problem, 99 eclipse
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 3:24 PM
My car is in the shop right now and i did NOT give them the remote for my alarm. I have the 530T for my windows and now they are saying they cant get my windows to go up and that all the fuses are intact. I know they disconnected the battery so would that cause this? does the alarm need to be reset somehow? if not what other problems could i look for?
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Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 3:34 PM
Is the child safety lock on? Did they check the 20A fuses to the 530t module itself? Do they know where that module was installed? There is a (-) input connection and a ground-when-armed (-) connection to that module, and i'm not seeing how resetting the alarm brain (presumably by diconnecting the car battery) would affect these, and I'm not seeing why this would even affect door window switch operation/functionality. ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 8:27 PM
no theres no child safety lock.. and i am kind of at a loss here myself, they said they checked all the fuses and i told them where they were all located... so the alarm itself should not be causing this problem is what ur telling me?
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 8:31 PM
at this point, i don't think so
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Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 9:55 PM
what all do you think i should have them check?
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:15 PM
What kind of car do you have? Is your car in the shop specifically for this reason? What are they repairing? Why did they remove the battery? Did the window system work flawlessly prior to you taking the car into the shop? Could you give them your keyfob and determine if the keyfob works and if it re-initiates any window system? ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:26 PM
My car is having body work done (body kit) and yes it worked flawlessly before they took the battery terminal off... they took it off i guess just to be safe. I could take them the remote, but i dont think thats gonna change anything. The car is a 1999 eclipse.
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 11:51 PM
it's really hard to say at this point what is going on. I don't know if these guys are autobody guys/technicians/mechanics... but usually guys that do body work dont' necessarily do much alarm/aftermarket electronic work (some do, most don't). I'd first make sure the alarm was working, reset it if necessary and reprogram keyfobs if necessary. Then, I'd go through each fuse systematically, and work my way to the wiring, testing major wires with a voltmeter. Then i'd inspect the window modules and the driver's door window switch module. I'd also make sure separate fuse 12volt power lines that may have been snagged at the battery terminals (such as for the alarm brain or for the window modules) are still attached to the positive battery terminal ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 11:57 PM
yeah i'll try that... but where does the 12volt source for the alarm brain usually connect?
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 19, 2007 at 12:01 AM
Usually the 12volt constant wire in the ignition harness is where most people tap into for power to the alarm/remote start brains. For those doing more stealthy installs, they'll snag 12 volts straight off the battery and conceal the brain under the dash somewhere.
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Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 19, 2007 at 5:42 PM
I really cant see any of the wires coming loose... so aside from a popped fuse, what else could have happened? neither window will work even if you try to control it from the passenger side...
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 19, 2007 at 11:19 PM
Well.... if you're assuming all the wiring is OK, and the fuses are OK .. then by pure logical, elimination you're basically saying the window module (DEI) is fried. How, I dunno? Why, who knows? Have you been to your car yet at the shop, have you tried any of this for yourself? ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 12:37 PM
No i havent tried any of this for myself yet, i just wanted to know what was most likely to have happened before i dive in (if i have to)
now if the 530T module is fried would that stop the windows from working completely?
Posted By: swamprat323
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 12:45 PM
are you sure that car dotn have window lock out switch. also when going through the fuses put a meter to them dotn just look at them.
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Download and read this file, it'll help you when you investigate the wiring: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=333 (it's the 530t install manual, thanks to the12volt.com's wonderful download section) The short of it is that your factory window motor wires are cut at various places to re-route through the 530t so that the 530t can control one touch up and down, and alarm triggers (-) signals to close or open the windows. The factory wires are not in their native state after the install of the 530t. ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 23, 2007 at 12:03 PM
alright im still waiting to hear from my body shop im hoping they can figure it out... but if not i guess i'll start with seeing what the remote will do still. Thanks for the help peterubers!
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 28, 2007 at 4:06 PM
OK i guess they fixed that, but now for some reason if the hood is popped and i arm the system the alarm starts going off right after i arm it... shouldnt it just bypass that zone if the hood was opened prior to me setting the alarm?
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 28, 2007 at 4:31 PM
OK actually im just sitting here and my car alarm keeps going off every hour or so and showing that the hood was opened (LED flashing 6 times) is there something wrong with the hood pin or what? everything LOOKS ok... 
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: June 29, 2007 at 1:15 PM
anyone? 
Posted By: phonymike
Date Posted: June 30, 2007 at 5:59 PM
what alarm do you have? you can check the hood pin switch wire at the brain. it should throw a ground when open, and nothing when closed. maybe the wire is pinched causing the brain to think it's always open. are there any other sensors on the car? maybe they're tied into the hood pin input, and causing the alarm to go off. I had my battery backup trigger tied to the hood pin switch, when the car cranked, it used the same power source as the battery backup and caused it to false trigger, which is the hood pin switch, causing remote start to fail every time. you can troubleshoot all the sensors or take it to whoever did the install and let them figure it out.
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: July 01, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Did your alarm installer use an aftermarket hood pin switch or the factory hood pin switch? Looks like it's continuing to show your alarm brain a ground connection as phonymike stated.
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Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: July 02, 2007 at 7:23 AM
it is the one that came with the alarm... everything is the same as it was before so i dont see why it would always be showing ground... any ideas?
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: July 16, 2007 at 9:03 PM
ok now i am having a few issues that seem electrically related... all of them can be traced back to the alarm install except for one. My headlights will not work, is there anyway that the install of a viper 5900 would have caused the headlights to malfunction or should i be looking elsewhere for the problem?
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: July 18, 2007 at 1:23 PM
The car is at the install shop right now and i am praying they can figure it out... i have been messing with this for a while now and can not seem to zero in on the problem... ANY help you guys can offer would be greatly appreciated. 
Posted By: peterubers
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 9:47 PM
Let the install shop determine what is going on as best they can for the problems related to your vehicle. Guessing what COULD be wrong could take pages and pages of posts... if it's the alarm's fault, a good install shop will find the problem. If they can't figure it out, I'm sure a Mitsubishi dealership would be able to. Best of luck. ------------- The search function is your friend.
Posted By: creed2k
Date Posted: July 25, 2007 at 2:32 PM
It ended up not being related to the alarm at all... i had other wiring issues that i ended up being able to fix. Thanks for the help tho.
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