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04 escalade battery drain

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 01, 2024 at 9:10 PM


Topic: 04 escalade battery drain

Posted By: swerks
Subject: 04 escalade battery drain
Date Posted: July 25, 2007 at 4:43 PM

i have recently completed a remote starter/alarm and nav install in an 04 escalade. the customers battery keeps going dead the dealership says rs like always. anyways gm tech says there is a 200 miliamp drain on the system(big deal)caused by the starter, removed starter still has draw(go figure)now tech says its gmos 04(please) removed gmos drain went down 60 ma.talked to metra tech support said gmos idle current should be between 70-150ma.here is what i do know upon customers 1st come back tested charging system alt was only putting out 13.5v and the cust was given a new batt 2 days prior(probally never properly charged)i have done hundreds of the 03-06 gm fullsize vehicles and am in my 14th year as a professional installer with a 1% comeback hisory, never had a problem anywhere close to this. any ideas this dealer is totaly trying to give my customer the gears. maybe cause his warranty is only 600km from being up.
this is the equipment used in the install


astrostart 2205
xpresskit xko01
pioneer avic d3
metra gmos 04

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta



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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: July 25, 2007 at 9:07 PM
It's rarely ever the remote start, or security system. How long does it take for the battery to "die"? When the right guy reads this post, he will tell you darn near EXACTLY how long it would take to kill the battery with this kind of puul coming off of it..... hang tight. PM  KPierson

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 5:35 AM

A 200mA current draw IS a big deal when it comes to a car sitting.  It will kill the battery quickly.  A typical rule of thumb is the at rest current draw sould be under 50mA, but ideally should be lower then 35mA.

You can typically figure out how long a brand new battery will last by the reserve capacity of the vehicle.  Divide the reserve capacity by the actual idle current draw and then divide that number by 24 to give you 'days' before the battery will be too weak to start the car.

The idle current for the Metra piece is WAY too high at rest.

What I would do, is connect a current meter to the battery (through the ground lead) and measure the current yourself (with all lights off and nothing else on).  Then, start unplugging things one at a time until the current draw is less then 50mA.  If you find a 'smoking gun' replace that part and see if the current level stays down.

I would be somewhat concerned about the alternator only charging at 13.5 volts.  Run it down to an Autozone and they will check the charging system for free.

Good luck and keep us updated.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 6:36 AM

Figure the battery is rated for 60 amp hours.. at 0.2 amps, it'll take 12 days for the battery to be dead. At 0.035 amps, it'll take 71 days.

I'll second KP about 0.035 amps being about all you want to see.. the 0.2 amps seemed high to me, but then car stereo stuff isn't what I do, so I wasn't going to say that the module was drawing too much cause I just don't know.

13.5v charging voltage when?.. At idle, with nothing on, I'd like to see 14v. As you turn on more accessories, voltage will drop (staying at idle) until the alternator can't keep up and the battery starts discharging. GM has released a TSB concerning that; extended idling and low speed driving with lots of accessories on will cause the battery to go dead.

The parts store might be able to check it.. depends on who does it. I really don't trust them much. The last alternator I had tested outputted, according to them, 140A. That it was a 90A VW alternator, and that they wired the alternator up with 14g wire, told me all I needed to know about them.

Jim





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Cjecj to make sure that the rear climate control is not drawing powering when vehicle is off. Had this problem with another vehicle and it ended up being the rear climate control circuit that was the culprit.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 12:59 PM
this is the figure that metra tech support has given me for idle cuurent on the gmos 04

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 1:03 PM
the battery dies within 5 o 6 hours of turning the engine off it is a new battery given to cust by dealer, i imagine it was never fully charged like usual. also i performed a current draw test on my verhicle just to have some sort of reference and it draws 300milliamps at rest it is a 2005 ford escape that is stock with the exception of an astrosart 2205

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 1:06 PM
13.5 at idle and with no accessories on voltage drops when turning on accessories never over 13.7v

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 1:09 PM
13.5 at idle and with no accessories on voltage drops when turning on accessories never over 13.7v
do you know the tsb#?


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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 1:42 PM

300mA at idle?  Are you waiting for the dome light and other accessories to shut off?

For the battery to be dying only hours after it was running it would have to be a much more significant draw.

Can't you simply disconnect all the things you added and let the customer drive the vehicle for a few days.  If it is something you added the problem will go away, if it isn't something you added it will stay.  I know this isn't very scientific, but it is something the customer will understand.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 8:26 PM

I'd have to look for the TSB.. it's been years since I read it. However, if the highest voltage you're seeing is 13.7v, then I'd say you've got a charging problem. Be sure to measure the voltage directly at the alternator (case to positive terminal on alt) to eliminate a wiring problem, but I'd want to see a GM at 13.9 to 14.5 at idle with no load.. check some other cars if you can to verify your meter also.

Jim

EDIT: Be sure to measure *AC* voltage at the battery and tell us what you got. Checking for a bad diode.





Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 26, 2007 at 9:14 PM
thx for the advice im pretty confident in my meter it is i high end true rms micronta

i also thought maybe bad diode one would think the deale would do an avr test. i told my customer to ask for avr printout anddealer would not provide him one

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 1:56 PM
Also GM considers anything over 50mA after the computers shut down to be parasitic.

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Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 2:56 PM
this is correct gm does consider anything over 50ma parasitic. my customrs rear ac is not working properly and the are a couple of tsb about parasitic draw being present on the rear ac circut but the dealer doentwant to check into it

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 3:35 PM

Easy solution as stated, disconnect anything you installed and have them drive it for a few days, when it continues to draw,send it back to the dealer for repairs. Most custys will understand this process and most dealers are to lazy to get out a meter anymore to troubleshoot anything, its easier to blame something else.





Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 4:16 PM
aint that the truth

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: July 31, 2007 at 5:19 PM
well it looks like a defective gmos is the culprit, im very suprizes i have done many of these vehicles with the gmos and never had this problem ill be sending it to metra for analysis ill let everyone know what failed when i recieve the info from metra thank yous to everyone who gave me their 2 cents!!

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta





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