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’00 xterra, rs1000, wont start

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: ’00 xterra, rs1000, wont start

Posted By: DanNEBTD
Subject: ’00 xterra, rs1000, wont start
Date Posted: August 07, 2007 at 2:06 PM

Im about 2/3 of the way through the install of an Autopage RS1000 on my '00 Xterra and decided to test some things before I proceeded. Glad I did because I found out the car wont start with the key. doesn't even try turn over. I know its not the batt and its not the starter kill relay as i tested all wires before and after the starter wire cut. . .they all read as they should. I also tried resetting the comp by unhooking the battery . . and nothing happened. The only thing I can think of is the stock alarm is interfering but the stock horn hasnt gone off and I was (until recently in troubleshooting) using the factory disable wire on the alarm). . . I have checked all connections I can think of but am lost. This is only my 4th or 5ht install so I might be forgetting something. Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you.



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Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: August 07, 2007 at 6:07 PM
Verify your starter kill relay is wired properly, try reconnecting the wire you cut just to make sure that the problem is not with the starter kill. Also, make absolutely sure the vehicle is in park or neutral.

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Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 07, 2007 at 7:02 PM
Twelvoltz wrote:

Verify your starter kill relay is wired properly, try reconnecting the wire you cut just to make sure that the problem is not with the starter kill. Also, make absolutely sure the vehicle is in park or neutral.


Did that I have tried disconnecting power to the alarm, reconnected my splice, and I have use a multimeter to verify each wire in the ignition column was throwing what it should be when it should be (on both sides of the cut). . I did the same at the relay connections




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 07, 2007 at 9:37 PM
have you checked your transponder wires, bypass ground

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 07, 2007 at 11:04 PM
swerks wrote:

have you checked your transponder wires, bypass ground


Hmm . . could you please explain? . . the alarm works fine with the exception that my car wont start lol . . . Remote start even goes through like it should but just never cranks.




Posted By: awdeclipse
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 7:31 AM
Have you verified you are getting 12v to the starter wire coming out of the ignition during cranking? You said you reconnected your splice. So you put your cut starter wire back together to try and see if that remedied the problem? Have you confirmed you are getting 12v to all constant power feeds going to the ignition?

Did you need to install a transponder bypass kit assuming your vehicle has a factory immobilizer? If so, like swerks mentioned, be sure that these wires are still intact.




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 8:42 AM
Yes, All wires coming out of the ignition at the tumbler, first harness, and about 1 ft. down after the first harness where I made my cut have power. Both motor side and starter side of the starter cable read 12v in crank as does the second starter cable which I did not cut but did splice into to attach the second starter wire form the alarm.

the '00 Xterra does not need a transponder kit and I just got off the phone with Nissan and the factory system has a "crank no start system" so even if that system was armed it should still crank.




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 9:25 AM
well then i would say that there is a problem in your clucth wiring or you have a bad module haveyou conacted tech support? Pehaps you should consider having it done by a profesional installer

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 9:56 AM
swerks wrote:

well then i would say that there is a problem in your clucth wiring or you have a bad module haveyou conacted tech support? Pehaps you should consider having it done by a profesional installer


I have contacted tech and they said the stock security system is a crank/no-start system . . . Which means the stock unit is not the problem. I have checked all fuses both under hood and in cab and they are all fine.

Its an auto so no clutch wiring (on my end that is) and I grounded the safety wire as instructed. . . My main problem is if I take the brain out/disconnect all power it does the exact same thing it is doing now.




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 10:20 AM
when u take the brain out your starter wire will be opened have u tried only hooking up the starter output with the oem wire in tact?

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 10:22 AM
im sure there is nothing wrong with the stock system im talking about the ultrastart

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 10:23 AM
sorry autopage

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: awdeclipse
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Depending how your harness is setup on the remote start side, perhaps you can manually energize each appropriate wire to test your connections from the remote start harness / alarm harness? As swerks mentioned, if you unplug your module and you cut your starter wire for the install for the starter interrupt functionality, leaving the module out will leave your starter circuit OPEN.

Apply 12volts to your MOTOR SIDE starter wire and see if the starter bumps. This will rule out the alarm/RS install entirely. Assuming you made all your connections, just jump them out on the alarm harness itself to save rewiring. If you get nothing, then start tracing your connections you made to the cut starter wire.

You mentioned you have two starer wires, so I am guessing you need to energize both of these... I'm unfamiliar with 2-wire start systems.




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:09 AM
awdeclipse wrote:

Depending how your harness is setup on the remote start side, perhaps you can manually energize each appropriate wire to test your connections from the remote start harness / alarm harness? As swerks mentioned, if you unplug your module and you cut your starter wire for the install for the starter interrupt functionality, leaving the module out will leave your starter circuit OPEN.

Apply 12volts to your MOTOR SIDE starter wire and see if the starter bumps. This will rule out the alarm/RS install entirely. Assuming you made all your connections, just jump them out on the alarm harness itself to save rewiring. If you get nothing, then start tracing your connections you made to the cut starter wire.

You mentioned you have two starer wires, so I am guessing you need to energize both of these... I'm unfamiliar with 2-wire start systems.


Yes, I have disconnected the alarm from the brain, pulled out the fuses, and have tried reconnecting the splice where I cut for the starter kill. same thing happens. likewise when I have everything hooked up and I check the wire on the motor side of the cut while in the Crank position I still get 12V. . . Meaning the starter Kill relay is working as it should and is defaulting to closed loop when the alarm is not present.


And sorry for the confusion before. What I was trying to say is that I thought the stock alarm might have been armed and disabled the starter after the cut . . meaning all my readings would be good. I found out the stock alarm disconnects the ignition instead. I tried bypassing that and still nothing.




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:13 AM
have you applied 12v to the motor side with a jumper?


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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:16 AM
which wires did you use for starter1 and starter 2?


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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:20 AM
I havent applied 12 volt direct to the starter side. . only by reconnecting the cut and testing the wire.

I am using the BLACK / YELLOW and GREEN/ YELLOW wires that come straight out of the back of the ignition. The primary starter wire is labeled as the starter on the back if the ignition and the secondary one is labeled "R" . . . The colors matched up to what was on here and 2 other lists I pulled so I didnt ask questions what "R" meant




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Oh and I also double checked they were the right wires by looking at the pinout of the harness and compared it to the Haynes Manual one.




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:26 AM
do you have a BLACK/ grn at the switch my wire chart says that 2nd start can be GREEN/ YELLOW or blk/grn

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:36 AM
I soldered connections onto all the wires that came out. . I soldered the second start on the blk/green wire but it changes to GREEN/ YELLOW after the first harness. I checked and it is putting out 12v at crank about 3 ft down the line when it is grn / YELLOW




Posted By: awdeclipse
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 2:35 PM
If you have manually energized both starter wires, reassembled any cut starter wires to eliminate a starter by-pass then I would start searching for a Vehicle side starter relay and or fuse. Mose engine related fuses and relays are under the hood, although they could be located elsewhere.

How is the battery voltage on the vehicle? Has the battery been drawn down too low during the install possibly?




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 2:57 PM
awdeclipse wrote:

If you have manually energized both starter wires, reassembled any cut starter wires to eliminate a starter by-pass then I would start searching for a Vehicle side starter relay and or fuse. Mose engine related fuses and relays are under the hood, although they could be located elsewhere.

How is the battery voltage on the vehicle? Has the battery been drawn down too low during the install possibly?


The electrical system/air conditioning seem to be up and running strong. . and Ive tried jumping it any way but I cant get it to crank soo . . .

I have checked all fuses in the car . . I will try to put a +12 to both sides of the starter manually and see what happens.

Where would you suggest looking fo a vehicle side starter relay? . .Im going to check my hanes now.




Oh and thank you to all that have replied. Though little progress has been made your advice has helped me trouble shoot what is not wrong and has given me Ideas to test where i wouldnt have thought before. thanks again.





Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 6:04 PM
My friend thinks that since I cut the starter wire It might be interfering with the stock system . . I now have the (+) and (-) terminals disconnected from the batt for the night and will try again in the morning. I dont suppose any one knows how long it takes for a factory alarm to reset by chance?




Posted By: madfleet
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 8:07 PM
Have you checked the voltage during crank directly at the starter? Sometimes it is easier to begin at the last possible component and work your way back to your work.




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:25 PM
madfleet wrote:

Have you checked the voltage during crank directly at the starter? Sometimes it is easier to begin at the last possible component and work your way back to your work.


That actually crossed my mind today. . But both my roomates are across the state and I am alone till sat. . . . If resetting both positive and neg. doesnt work. . and Nissan cant help me Ill try to call someone over to crank it for me.




Posted By: DanNEBTD
Date Posted: August 08, 2007 at 11:27 PM
Actually in writing that I realized I can use the remote start to crank for me. . . Ill give it a shot tomorrow.




Posted By: madfleet
Date Posted: August 09, 2007 at 7:47 PM
Good Luck! Please let the forum  know what you find.





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