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Topic: alarm won’t go off when door is open

Posted By: minhbach
Subject: alarm won’t go off when door is open
Date Posted: August 12, 2007 at 8:10 PM

I just finished install the scytek 4000-ws on the Ford explorer 1999. The problem I push the LOCK botton on the alarm. I received a open door message. I isolated diodes for all doors and trunk hatch. I haven't connected the dome light trigger yet. The part I don't understand is that they said in the wiring diagram that BLACK/ light lbue + for door trigger and the same wire for domelight supervision. While they tell me in the note that all doors need to be isolated with diodes and they all negative trigger. I tapped all diodes door wires into the a single wire Green from the brain.  I metered all the wired for doors, they are all negatives and they are all correct. Please help

ItemWire ColorPolarityWire Location
12VyellowPositive (+)ignition harness
StarterRED / lt. bluePositive (+)ignition harness
Starter 2none
IgnitionGREEN/ purple [1]Positive (+)ignition harness
2nd Ignitionnone
3rd Ignitionnone
Accessorygray / YELLOW [1]Positive (+)ignition harness
Accessory 2BLACK/ greenPositive (+)ignition harness
Tachometertan / YELLOWPCM [6]
Power Door (Lock)
< color=#0066cc >Wiring Diagram for
[< color=#ff0000 >Negative (-)] Door Lock
pink / YELLOWNegative (-)driver's kick panel
Power Door (Unlock)
< color=#0066cc >Wiring Diagram for
[< color=#ff0000 >Negative (-)] Door Unlock
pink/greenNegative (-)driver's kick panel
Door TriggerBLACK/ lt. blue [4]Positive (+)driver's kick panel
Dome Supervision
< color=#0066cc >Wiring Diagram for
[< color=#ff0000 >Positive (+)] Dome
BLACK/ lt.bluePositive (+)driver's kick panel
HeadlightsRED / yellowPositive (+)light switch
Parklight PositivePURPLE / white [3]Positive (+)driver's kick panel
Parklight NegativeWHITE/ purpleNegative (-)driver's kick panel
Wiperswht & dk.blu/org [7]Positive (+)wiper motor or relay
Left Front Window
(Up/Down)
wht/blk - redat motor in dr door
Right Front Window
(Up/Down)
wht/yel - tan/lt.blusw dr door or dr kick
Left Rear Window
(Up/Down)
gry/org - yel/lt.bluAsw dr door or dr kick
Right Rear Window
(Up/Down)
yel/blk - RED / blkAsw dr door or dr kick
Trunk/Hatch Pincommon with doors
Hood Pintan/lt.greenNegative (-)driver's kick panel
Trunk/Hatch Release
< color=#0066cc >Wiring Diagram for
[< color=#ff0000>] Trunk/Hatch
none
Factory Alarm
(Arm)
arms on lock [5]
Factory Alarm
(Disarm)
dk. GREEN/ purpleNegative (-)driver's kick panel
Hornyellow/lt. greenNegative (-)steering column
Brakelt.greenPositive (+)driver's kick, brake switch
Door Motor
(Lock)
pink/blackdriver's kick panel
Door Motor
(Unlock)
RED / orangedriver's kick panel
Disarmpink/orange [2]driver's kick panel
Disarm No Unlocknonenonenone
posted_image
Additional Info:

Some models ofThis vehicle are equipted with PATS (Passive Anti Theft System). Use Commando module TransMod to over-ride during remote start. [1] Two wires each at switch, both are common, only need to power 1 each during remote start. [2] You may also use the pink/green power unlock wire. [3] Also found to be WHITE/ black at the rear of the switch. [4] To avoid the dome light delay and dome light time-out use the separate door triggers. In the drivers kick panel find yellow/black for the drivers door, lt. GREEN/ YELLOW for the drivers rear door, and WHITE/ purple for the rear hatch. In the passengers kick panel find gray/red for the passenger front door, and pink/lt. blue for the passengers rear door. All five wires are negative trigger and must be diode isolated together. [5] Arms on lock only with door open. It is necessary to send a signal to door trigger as well as lock to arm factory alarm. [6] The PCM is located at the top of the firewall towards the passenger side, the tan / YELLOW tach wire is also found at the back of the instrument cluster. [7] Also found yellow/white(-) at the firewall connector.

Another thing is that why when I removed the key off the ignition with the door open, I still hear the chime sound. Usually the chime sound should go away if the key is removed off the ignition even the door is open like many other cars. Why go wrong here please help. The alarm not trigger any doors. And when I armed the system keep getting the message door open. Please help




Replies:

Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 12, 2007 at 11:38 PM

If the skytec has the ability to be programmed to ignore the dome delay......do it. Use the (POS)+ trigger instead. simple is better!

BUT. Make sure you ALWAYS have your dome light switch set to door, never in the off posistion. Otherwise.....no door trigger.



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Posted By: minhbach
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 9:30 AM
There is no option in the Scytek to bypass the Domelight delay other then ignore the open door report. I scanned through this forum and they said if I use the + door trigger on this, I may run into some problems. Do you have any problems using the positive door trigger(BLACK/ lt blue). Could you show me how to relay the domelight and door trigger when they are using the same wire on this Ford. Thanks




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 11:39 AM
use the + blue black in the pass kick the drivers side can cause false triggers


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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 11:41 AM
if you are getting door open when you arm check that you diddnt accidently use your - input on the alarm. the dome rests at - and will show a open door with door closed

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: jmsounds
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 12:46 PM

try using a relay some cars don't ground completely  and also check the diodes make sure all are in the same direction

jmsounds





Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 1:00 PM
Go to the actual dome light...... real easy.

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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 5:22 PM

If you are going to sep. door contacts and then diode isolating them together you also need to diode isolate them from the cars body control unit. where you connect your alarm wires (green) to each contact after that join ie away from the contact,  run a diode on the door contact cable with the band towards your joint, this will prevent the body module falsing your alarm, you also won't have to programme int (dome) light delay. If you can access directechs ENICE knows the tech hint number because this problem comes up every two weeks! To Kar tune man you are right but I prefer my method as you have more control such as genuine door adjar warnings.





Posted By: minhbach
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 7:59 PM

How do I connect to the actual domelight as KarTunMan said for this Ford Explorer 1999. Can you show me the location for the dome wire( or it just the one as the wiring diagram listed). For Howie method, I am kind of confusing reading your direction. You mean that I have a use an extra diode to connect to the green wire off the alarm unit and with the band side to the side of joint comming from all five doors that isolated diodes for each door. I have to fix this car this Wednesday, please help.





Posted By: flobee4
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 9:24 PM

howie is saying to do this diagram here:

https://64.85.6.129/extrainfo/diagrams/5899_EXPLORER_FORD%20DOOR%20PIN%20ISOLATION.pdf

this should work for you.

Frank





Posted By: captainzab
Date Posted: August 13, 2007 at 10:28 PM
     All Door Trigger          BLACK/ LIGHT BLUE          (+)          COURTESY LIGHT UNDER DASH
Notice that is a positive trigger

I say use domelight as KarTuneMan suggested,
but if you want to use door trigger, then:

instead of double diode-isolating
(purpose is to prevent the ford BCM from causing a trigger 30mins after car has been locked),
Diode isolate the door triggers and use a relay (since the backfeed cause 30mins after the car isnt strong enough to turn on the relay)

85 goes to 12v
86 all your door trigger (must diode isolate from each other)
30 to alarm door trigger input
87 ground
87a nothing



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Posted By: minhbach
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 12:12 AM

Where is the BCM in this Ford Explorer 1999. Can I just use the door wires that come from passsenger and drivers kick panel. Or these doors wires have to be at BCM. There is 5 door wires total, as per diagram that KartuneMan send me. I have to use 10 1amp diodes to isolate. 5 for the BCM with the no band face to the BCM,  and another five diodes comes from the brain which is the  -green wire negative (Scytek). Twisted them togther and connect to the BCM with the band toward the joint. And then use Violet + (scytek) for positve door trigger to + BLACK/ lt blue door trigger or domelight on the Ford. Or the second method is the throw in a relay and just use five diodes. The only thing I don't understand that where is the positive door trigger being connected to if I use the diagrams below. Look like the connect from the brain of the alarm is the negative trigger, and positive trigger (brain) to positive trigger(Ford) BLACK/ light blue. Help me to locate the BCM on the Ford, or the I just be able to use all the wires from pass. and drivers kick and follow the connection of this diagram below

< color=#0068cf>htt! p://www.directechs.com/techtips/pdfs/resources/security/directed_techtips/1076.pdf





Posted By: swerks
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 8:31 AM
yes you can use the pin wires at the kp's, use the diagram howie sent it it the most reliable way

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Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta




Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 10:06 AM
minhbach wrote:

How do I connect to the actual domelight as KarTunMan said for this Ford Explorer 1999. Can you show me the location for the dome wire( or it just the one as the wiring diagram listed). For Howie method, I am kind of confusing reading your direction. You mean that I have a use an extra diode to connect to the green wire off the alarm unit and with the band side to the side of joint comming from all five doors that isolated diodes for each door. I have to fix this car this Wednesday, please help.


Pull the light down from the headliner, and test the wires at the light. The one that changes polarity when the door is opened (from negative to pozative) is your (POS)+ door trigger



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Posted By: minhbach
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 10:52 AM
As per Howie 's diagram, the trigger comming from alarm system is the negative trigger correct. And do I still have to connect the positive trigger. Or I just use the green(-) from the brain, double diodes, and to the doors wire(BCM). Please confirm the step for this connection as Per Howie  diagram so I can reconnect this Ford tomorrow. Where is the headliner, Kartuneman. So the door should show +12V when opened and 0V when closed right. Can you provide the color code too. Thanks all for the help.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 4:40 AM
Does the  alarm brain have 2 wires marked domelight control or display? Connect one side to 12v+ permanent. and other to wire that goes pos (+) when door is opened. This will be at domelight and BCM box.




Posted By: minhbach
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 5:16 PM
The alarm brain has two connection from neg. and positve for door trigger, and 1 neg. domelight trigger. Could you show me which wire go to which either using relay and diodes as diagram. I am confused if I have to use neg or pos door trigger or neg. dome. could you specific in details. which one I suppose to use from the alarm brain. and where these wire connect to the vehicle to get rid of this problem and false alarm if neccessary to use relay. Thanks all for the help




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 5:55 PM
Can you let me have a copy of the alarm's wiring diag.?





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