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dei and failed remote starts

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 18, 2024 at 4:58 AM


Topic: dei and failed remote starts

Posted By: jmatteau
Subject: dei and failed remote starts
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 5:35 AM

Does the Viper 160XVL have an option to try restarting the vehicle if it fails?  I turned on the check engine feature and it is set to monitor through Tach.  The problem is, sometimes the vehicle does not start and it does not try to restart.  It has been Tach Learned twice, that does not help.  I have been noticing the problem with cold starts, seems like the Jeep is not cranking long enough.  Took 5 try's before it would start this morning and it was about 30 degrees out, not cold enough to cause problems one would think.

Couple Q's.

Does this unit have the ability to attempt to restart if the RS fails?  If so, how do I set it?

If I change it to check voltage instead of Tach, what do you reccomomend setting the crank time to, this may help with the failed starts.  Please give your opinions and reasoning.

2003 Jeep Liberty.  160XVL remote starter.




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Posted By: jmatteau
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 6:36 AM
Another question.  what if I rev the engine at about 1200 rpm and learn the tach for that?  Good, bad, problematic?




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 7:05 AM
well, over the years in installing. the only thing with some units. When u program the tach for a high rpm, durin the winter, the rpm is alot lower than what it would be during summer. If you could do a cold start then learn tach, i guess thats best.  




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 9:36 AM
Where is tach connected? I think I use a gray/black at the PCM on the driver's fender, but a fuel injector should probably work fine.

I assume you have access to the installation manual, and you know how to use the programming options? There should be some sort of "troubleshooting" or "diagnostic" setting that will show the reason for the last remote start shutdown.

Generally, If the remote starter tries and fails, it'll try again twice more............ but if it sees hoodpin, brake, toggle-switch shutdown, or excessive RPM, it'll shut down and NOT try again.




Posted By: jmatteau
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Chris Luongo wrote:

Where is tach connected? I think I use a gray/black at the PCM on the driver's fender, but a fuel injector should probably work fine.

I assume you have access to the installation manual, and you know how to use the programming options? There should be some sort of "troubleshooting" or "diagnostic" setting that will show the reason for the last remote start shutdown.

Generally, If the remote starter tries and fails, it'll try again twice more............ but if it sees hoodpin, brake, toggle-switch shutdown, or excessive RPM, it'll shut down and NOT try again.

Out of the options you listed the only one that would be applicable in my instance would be excessive RPM.  Here is what happened in order this morning: 1st try, turned over, failed to start and all lights stayed on like it would be running.  2nd, 3rd and 4th try, turned over, started and died within 2 or 3 seconds.  The lights went off and did not try to restart.  5th try, started and ran fine.  The weather was about 30 degrees F.

I see that there is a tach threshold jumper on the unit.  Manual says it may need to be switched off for some newer GM vehicles, does anybody have any experiance with this.  I was thinking of turning it off and seeing what happens.  I also changed the tach learn to about 1800 rpm's, there seems to be no difference when rs it though, still cranks a little, starts and the rpm never even hits 1800.  Sound normal?





Posted By: jmatteau
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 10:10 AM

Edited this sentance, had it backwards.

Manual says it may need to be switched on for some newer GM vehicles, does anybody have any experiance with this.  I was thinking of turning it on and seeing what happens.





Posted By: rabenoja
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 4:05 PM

What kind of bypass are you using for your immobilizer?  I've heard of situations where if it's too cold out that the key in the box (556u) can fail.  Again, I've only heard of that situation but, I've never experienced it myself in my years of installing.

Also, did you try to use the check voltage and adjust the crank time yet?  I know that it is better to use tach but, I'd suggest to try the voltage option in the meantime and see what happens.





Posted By: jmatteau
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 4:25 PM
rabenoja wrote:

What kind of bypass are you using for your immobilizer?  I've heard of situations where if it's too cold out that the key in the box (556u) can fail.  Again, I've only heard of that situation but, I've never experienced it myself in my years of installing.

Also, did you try to use the check voltage and adjust the crank time yet?  I know that it is better to use tach but, I'd suggest to try the voltage option in the meantime and see what happens.


No bypass required, not a transponder key.  I have not yet set it to voltage, I am trying to avoid that by fixing the problem.





Posted By: V8Sonoma
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 5:08 PM
I have never seen a Liberty without the sentry keys.What colour are your ignition keys?




Posted By: jmatteau
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 6:06 PM
V8Sonoma wrote:

I have never seen a Liberty without the sentry keys.What colour are your ignition keys?


Black




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: December 09, 2007 at 10:22 PM
Black key definitely does not have a transponder, like you said. They made plenty of Liberties both ways.

Where is the remote starter's tach wire connected? It should be ok to be tied into a fuel injector on top of the engine.

Even if you don't want to go with voltage sensing, it's an excellent temporary troubleshooting tool...........you could reprogram for voltage sense, with 1.0 seconds crank time, and see if it works reliably for a couple of days.

At least then, if it does work fine on voltage sense, you know that the rest of the installation is good, and that it must be a tach issue for sure.





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